User talk:JackDelMars



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First Message
We're really happy to have you here, and look forward to working with you!

CamTheWoot (talk) 19:43, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Question
Hey to answer your question that is his own page not anyone else's so his opinion is Natalie is dead. --Bailey16 (talk) 00:20, July 25, 2016 (UTC).

RE:Survivors Page
Hi Jack. While Natalie Miller has not been officially declared deceased, I've found enough evidence to support that she is. Helen Jackson (the extra who portrays her) is part of the recurring background cast for Alexandria, appearing consistently throughout Season 5 with the other extras and having been brought back in Season 6 with the same group of extras (as well as new ones). She appeared in 6x01 (her only Season 6 appearance). In 6x02, many people are killed, including several established extras such as Mikey Leo (Season 6 newbie) and Stacy Payne (Season 5 veteran). The blonde extra painting the names on the memorial wall in 6x05 revealed on Facebook that some of the names painted were to reflect the extras chosen to die in 6x02, such as Mikey/Michael and Stacy. One of the other names is Helen (Helen Jackson who plays Natalie Miller). Her character name was only mentioned once through dialogue and was probably never meant to establish Helen's character as an actual character in the show, so her character name was most likely forgotten by producers/crew/extras and hence why the (new) blonde extra wrote Helen's actual name instead of her character name. Additionally, Helen Jackson has not appeared on the show since 6x02, while her husband (Curtis Jackson who plays Bob Miller) and other Season 5 veterans/Season 6 newbies have consistently appeared on the show because they are still alive. Check out Background Survivors (TV Series)/Alexandria Safe-Zone to see the other people who make up Alexandria's background cast. Hope this explains why I've decided to mark Natalie Miller as dead (we haven't seen her again and probably never will). If she doesn't appear in Season 7, her character page may be changed to dead because of these reasons. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:00, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivors Page
Hey Jack, which characters are you talking about (what episode) and which season/tv series? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:15, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Angelica Suraez
Hey, nice job getting that picture! I tried doing the same but found it too difficult to get good quality photos, and that one of Angelica seems like one of her when she was younger, but still better than nothing! I suppose you could make a page for her if you'd like :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Angela (Webisodes)
Hmm, I think they were talking about Angelo, not Angela. But I'll see if I can rewatch it too and find out. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:26, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Hallucinated Walkers
Hey Jack! Thanks for getting these screengrabs :) There's been SO many Kingdom people to take pics of. And I'm not even getting everyone! Many people are too small/blurry but I got like 50 extras to upload haha. Already got the Saviors and named characters! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivor #12
Hey Jack, when it comes to children in the show, its a little bit tricky (like with Woodbury). We've only seen a couple kids in Alexandria, most of them one-time appearances. Because of this, I am hesitant with making them dead. Same goes for Mikey. It's a tough call. I've assigned the names of the dead to other survivors (check out to see who I am talking about). I am waiting for another attack that will kill a bunch of people and then if they don't specify who exactly died, I'll probably move the kids to dead, at least the Season 5 boy. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:10, November 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if they didn't specify who exactly died I would have labeled him and anyone else who was MIA for a long time as "dead". As for Anne, I know how you feel! At walkingdeadforums.com there is a thread that tracks Alexandria extra sightings in each episode and others were asking about her, the blonde guy, and the black guy. I'm sure the three of them (the only ones of the recurring extras who were not seen) are there at the church scene on the left side. We mostly saw the right side of the church that contained Tobin, Anna, Eric, Barbara, Kent, Bob Miller etc. Didn't see much of the left side except for Bruce, Francine, a couple new extras but we did see the older woman, the blonde woman, and the tall girl so I'm sure the other veterans are still around, just out of view. Hopefully we see some more of them next week. I think they added so many new extras because they will be redshirts soon ;) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:31, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Brialynn Massie
Hey Jack, yeah I would say that looks like her. Similar hairline, nose bridge, lips, brows, and chin too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:52, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Swear
I really liked "Swear" and Tara (dunno why so many people hate her). She has such a funny and upbeat attitude, which is a good contrast to all the other characters who are usually stern/dark etc. She is kind of like Jesus - a happy/comical character lol. I really liked Oceanside, it was cool seeing the settlement and all the people living there. I am sure we will be seeing them again (otherwise why introduce them and show that weapons locker?). I did some detective work and found out one of the extras who is listed on IMDB for this episode also appears in 7x15, so we will probably see the people of Oceanside again towards the end of the season. That sounds about right to me since I'm guessing the end of the season will start to prep for All Out War in Season 8. I did the best I could getting screencaps of the women and children at Oceanside without the images being too small or blurry, so I wasn't able to get everyone. But I counted at least 40 people at Oceanside (including the credited cast). Images are on my survivors page. Someone from walkingdeadforums.com got in contact with Laundry Woman #1 on Facebook so hopefully we will get an interview from her (this guy is really good at contacting and getting interviews so I let him do his own thing) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:23, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Grace Phillips
Dude, fantastic job with these interviews! Let me know every time you conduct one, I love it. Because of you, we found out her name! Nice job. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Profile image proposals
Hi, Jack. I noticed you removed some of the newer images I uploaded unto certain character's articles. I was just wondering why you removed them? Am I supposed to get approval from the mods or something? I looked at the policies and found nothing. So I assumed it was safe to change the images as long as they were higher quality and showed demeanor. JuniperAlien ( talk ) 23:40, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrian
Nah, that is actually a Savior extra name Angela Gay. She is on the background cast page. She is seen with a gun in this episode and has appeared in previous episodes including 7x07 and 7x04. Also, nice job with uploading the rest of the Oceanside people. It was hard to get everyone. I will add some to my page :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:48, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Anissa Matlock...
Nice job with those interviews! Anissa didn't respond with the greatest answers but Gustavo's was good! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:39, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivor #17
Nah, it's not her. I know who the actress but I vowed to keep that a secret as per her wishes. And I'll leave it as that. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:59, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Natalie
Wow! That's really cool! So the actress finally gave in to an interview and talked about her character? I look forward to reading it. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:36, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Deanna Dixon Interview
Awesome job :) check out Courtland Fuller on FB - he's one of the Wolves killing someone in JSS. Maybe he'll do an interview/knows his victim. Also, have you ever spoken with Becky Nunnally? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, January 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Shame about Becky but that's okay. All we know about her is that she appeared in 7x08 and 7x10, probably one of those extras specifically brought on for the battle/bus scenes. Through others, we learned that she took Denny Ainsworth death scene in 7x10 and that her character was "friends" with the Hispanic survivor aka Gustavo Blade. I'm on Chat now but I'll be in and out of it tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:33, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Interviews
You did a great job with all three! I thoroughly enjoyed reading them. Be sure to link them on their actors page under "External Links" if you'd like! It was nice to finally hear from Erin Hunter and learn about Courtland Fuller! I haven't seem him past 6x16/7x01 but who knows! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 05:00, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Chat
I'm on chat but you're probably long gone lol. I will try again tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:59, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Recommendations
Hey Jack, I checked out the list and am looking forward to seeing the interviews that need to be published. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone worth contacting. Maybe Will Martin the sick teenager? He was very friendly.

Also, keep in mind when uploading extra pictures, if they are too small or blurry or its just their back, it may not be worth uploading since we will never get to identify them, especially in a large background cast. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:43, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

GPK
Wow that's so many lol. Ugh. Too many people, I thought there was enough in the Kingdom (maybe around 100) plus the 40+ each in Alexandria and Hilltop and Oceanside. Thanks for getting the pictures of the extras. I'm assuming its from the 7x10 preview? Right off the bat, I can see you have a several duplicates (both in terms of pictures and then what you posted on your page). Too bad they all look so similar in terms of hairstyle and clothing, makes it hard spotting them again in future scenes/episodes. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:37, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I haven't attempted to get pictures of this group from 7x09. I'll do that tomorrow or something. I'm gonna go through the pics on my page and remove the ones where most of their face is blocked up. In terms of duplicates, 2 & 15 are the same. 11 & 14. 8 & 21. I think 23 & 32. 20 is the same as the promo image already on our pages. That's what I got for now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:47, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Nice job, thanks. I went through the 7x10 batch and kept the ones I wanted for my page. I also have one more batch to upload for 7x09 (I know you uploaded these but I only uploaded a few of mine own - the ones I didn't get will appear in 7x10 I'm sure as it seems to be a continuation of filming from 7x09. I also have a BTS photo of the GPK so I will see if I can get some crops out of that. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:32, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think 51 and 74 are duplicates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:30, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Claire
That's awesome! I look forward to reading about her backstory in the interview! Sounds like she gave a good one. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:37, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

So, where's that interview? Lol --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers
Hi there, I am updating my survivors page with the promotional photos of the Scavengers from 7x10 (I haven't taken pics of them from the episode itself - doing that another time, they are low on my priority list). Seeing as we don't have a background page for the Scavengers yet, I thought I would list the photos here that are of the same person in 7x09 & 7x10. PS I deleted "NBF Extra61.png" and "NBF Extra63.png" because they are Aaron and Tamiel, respectively lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:33, February 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * NBF Extra44.png = Scavenger13 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra69.png = Scavenger11 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra17.png = Scavenger10 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra3.png = Scavenger1 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra1.png = Scavenger8 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra57.png = Scavenger9 (New Best Friends).png
 * 57 and 64 are the same
 * GPK15 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger6 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK26 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger4 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK4 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger7 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK6 (Rock in the Road).png = NBF Extra18.png


 * Not sure where you see Hunter as a duplicate on my page. That image you linked is not Hunter (though it was Hunter in it). I liked tonight's episode. It was nice getting a better look at the Sanctuary, especially with the workers. Spotted a bunch of recurring workers such as the bread lady and the long-haired redhead (son of the red haired man killed in 7x03). Also, that death shocked me! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:27, February 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: Hey, I counted all of the Scavengers when they circle up and Jadis talks for the first time. I think there are 101 people, including Jadis. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:13, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Saviors 7x11
Hello! I am in the process of uploading pics from 7x11. I have a ton of Saviors and workers to upload so don't upload anything until I'm done to ensure we don't have duplicates haha. I am uploading them in batches of 10-15 so it doesn't clog the news feed. Also, do you think this guy is the same as him? Same face and same shirt. Happy that I been finding people who appeared in 6x16 & 7x01. Lot of recurring workers too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:24, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Haha no worries, you are good. Just wanted to make sure we were both not spending all this time doing the same thing. I will check out the Scavengers sometime :) As for the extra you identified - too bad she doesn't care, I guess she's one of those people who view her job as just a job and nothing exciting/more. Lol. How about Negan's wives? The two shorter, uncredited ones - will they speak with you? I got good photos of them finally. Also, let me know if you've seen Savior15 (Hostiles and Calamities).png or Savior17 (Hostiles and Calamities).png before... I'm almost done with the Saviors. Then will do the workers later. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:17, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, hopefully they got something good for us. I'm just curious as to why they're both so short compared to the other 3 wives LOL. As for the two interviews you listed - that's awesome! Duke has been all over this show lol. Terminant, Wolf, Savior - wouldn't be surprised if we see him as a Scavenger or something! Also, I'm still waiting for the Claire interview! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:21, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS. Was looking up Pete Pitts and Josh Turner on FB because they usually talk about TWD a lot and was able to identify four workers as a result - all of them were also there for the Mark iron scene (even though I may not have pics of them but I can spot them now). One of them named his character "Vendor Dan" (after his real name) aka the guy who gave the pickles to Laura and Eugene. When I upload their pics tomorrow I'll add their names. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 07:20, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Amber's Suicidal category
Hi Jack, why Amber is in the Suicidal category? I mean, we know that the pills are for Negan, and not Amber. She doesn't want to kill herself. Marsopa Voladora (talk) 22:52, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I understant to what you mean, but in the same page, says  "It is later revealed that the pills Frankie and Tanya wanted weren't for Amber but were instead intended for Negan, figured out by Eugene as he refuses to give them the pills.". We know that she don't want to commit suicide, but yeah, she's really depressed. Thanks for reading!! Marsopa Voladora (talk) 23:01, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

'''Ok, you have a good argument. Problem solved. Thanks for reading!! Marsopa Voladora (talk) 23:09, March 3, 2017 (UTC)'''

RE:Duplicate
Hey, yes they are all the same women. NBF80 and 5 for sure. Thanks for pointing that out! I am going to finish cropping and uploading pics from 7x10 for the Scavengers. I was able to replace a lot of the ones previously uploaded so good progress on getting clear pics of people! I will need your input on two giant men later to see if they are the same. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:06, March 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * That's pretty good! Personally, I'm okay with less extras for large communities, makes it easier to track them and less chance of someone disappearing a la Woodbury. I'm on chat now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:51, March 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * I finished uploading all of the Scavengers. I have 98 people listed, including Jadis, Tamiel, Brion, and Winslow. Let me know if you find any duplicates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:42, March 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yup, I believe they are the same. Same shirt color, pale skin, black hair and same part in the hair. I'll check out the background survivors page now, didn't know I missed some. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:13, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: File:NBF Extra4.png and File:GPK11 (Rock in the Road).png are the same. (updated)
 * Update: File:NBF Extra34.png and File:NBF Extra108.png are the same. (updated)
 * Update: File:GPK1 (Rock in the Road).png and File:NBF Extra155.png are the same (the latter has been deleted since it is a 7x09 duplicate)
 * Do you think File:GPK8 (Rock in the Road).png and File:NBF Extra48.png are the same?


 * I think everyone appeared in 7x09 and 7x10 and even 7x11. I would assume they filmed all the junkyard scenes at the same time, while they had all the extras together? Who knows haha, it's so hard to find everyone, especially as there are so many and they're all moving in 7x09 and 7x10. But good luck! We may already have a pic of NBF Extra81.png, it seems like he has his hair pulled back. Not sure. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:03, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Jenny
Even though we only see the back of Jenny's head, I think it's this girl. Both are young looking and have similar hair color, compared to the other school kids of 7x02. UPDATE: Yup, it's her. Just checked 7x09 again, the hair is pulled back into the long skinny ponytail. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, March 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah! The Kingdom and Hilltop aren't as perfect as ASZ because its not featured as often but it's not bad! I identified two extras from IMDB, Carol Bruckner as the art teacher and Melissa Eastwood as the pig tender in the Kingdom. Maybe they will do interviews once the season ends? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:30, March 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding Claire, nice!! You and her did a great interview! She was good to talk to, and revealed good stuff. Thought her cough drop and skirt part was funny. Also good to know that she WAS in 3x08 and 3x09. I'm gonna see if I can spot her. Probably not. But still a great interview. I wish her the best! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:01, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I found Claire/Kristy Hoefler in the 3x08/09 arena scenes: File:Woodbury extra 33 (Made to Suffer).png. Same hair part, hair color, weight, chin shape. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:27, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice!! That is good enough confirmation for me ;) It's weird how her side of the arena was barely featured in the episode and not at all in the promo pics. I watched that scene several times. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:50, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

The Other Side
Hey there, I'm sure you've seen all the high res photos of the Hilltop people from 7x14. Some have appeared in other Season 7 episodes but most have not (?). Also identified a girl - Alyssa Riley Burrell according to IMDB (she is credited as Hilltop Girl but this may be incorrect). There is another one listed, Tevin Beech (uncredited as "Survivor") but I don't know which one that is. Also, I saw on one of the Saviors' Facebooks hinting something big is going down in 7x14 - he may be the one getting shot by Sasha or something. I won't be able to watch this episode but should be good! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:02, March 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * Heh, girl as in young woman/teenage girl lol File:Hilltop17 (The Other Side).png. I'm betting Tevin is not the guard only because I feel like the actor would have credited himself in the other episodes. Also, are you the one who identified Hilltop extra Cassidy? Also, there's several more Hilltoppers who are partially visible/too fuzzy in the promo pics: this guy, Eduardo, Wesley, and the blacksmith, among others. Gonna be a ton of bodies for the war. I wish we'll see Crystal or Craig again, we haven't seen them yet. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:53, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

Summer Kidder is seen hugging a woman believed to be her mother in 3x09. The 3x09 woman looks similar to the woman I added as "King County Mother". That same woman is seen hanging with Gina Ann Riggs in 3x05 - the two mothers IRL probably know each other since they & their kids appeared on the show as school kids in the flashback and again in Woodbury 3x05/09. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:20, March 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping that woman is actually Summer's mother. And yeah it's neat that they are re-using them. The Kidder kids are stand-ins so they're on set a lot and Gina Ann Riggs follows her son around on the show obviously so they get chances to be in the background if its appropriate (like the background of the Woodbury BBQ or the elementary school). They haven't been on the show since Season 4 when Sophia Kidder's character was killed off-screen. Now that the kids are older, maybe they'd like to interviews :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:27, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

RE:No Way Out
Wow!! Nice job! That is definitely the same guy from 6x09! Just checked his IMDB and he's credited for 3 episodes. I always thought he looked like Scott. I guess he was on set and got to be in the fight scene (and I consider his character as one of those casualties). He seems to have an active Facebook if you want to contact him :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:26, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

The Other Side
Hey! I am back on vacation and just watched 7x14. Good episode! Lots of recurring Hilltoppers! I missed the first few minutes of it though. I wonder if we will see Roy again. Any idea who the second Savior death was? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:19, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think Roy was killed, he's in tonight's episode apparently. The second Savior death may have been random. I'll download 7x14 tomorrow and see what pics I can get that may have been missed. That's awesome to hear about Jessica and David Marshall!! PS I think Survivor #22 is Jessica. And then #38 is definitely #1. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:47, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * No way! I think they're alike, #1 is def younger like 30s IMO haha. We'll wait and see. Glad to see her elderly friend was seen again, always good to see season 6 extras. But where's Craig and Crystal btw? As for Jessica - ah okay, didn't know that part. I missed the first few min but gonna check it out now. As for the Oceanside pics, I'll get them :) lots of face pics. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:22, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just saw #38 in 7x14 and its definitely a different girl, you're right. Are we expecting a lot of people to die in the finale? I didn't see any hints of a gun battle - should we expect one?! That would be cool! Then I would move the Kingdom choir to unknown if we see a Kingdom army because we did see Ezekiel and them. Same with Craig and Crystal if there's a Hilltop army in the battle. I saw lots of people at the Alexandria wall with guns (?) so that may indicate a battle as well. Death predictions: Sasha or Morgan, maybe Dwight, Gary, Wesley, Freddie, Kal, Tobin, Bruce, Francine, Alvaro, Daniel, maybe Dianne or Jerry. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:39, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was able to watch it slowly on YouTube - looks like Jadis and her crew arrive in Alexandria and some scenes of Rick running with guns but I wonder if that was when Saviors first announce they've arrived and they're scrambling. Who knows! Also, I'm trying to figure out that Savior that got killed after the Bike Park Savior. He looks like he has long-ish hair? Either way, I can assign that death as Gavin's Savior that did not appear in the two latter Kingdom episodes or this Season 6 guy. Also looks like Craig Alexander. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:44, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, gonna move the boy and Mikey to dead after the finale if there are confirmed casualties. Probably gonna be a lot of assumed and off screen deaths. Ps don't need to add the quote marks in the gallery tag, it's unnecessary and just adds useless characters for the page to load every time it's accessed. Also, uploading the rest of the Hilltop people. Then will look at Oceanside. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, March 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey - I'm on my way home from work and will get the Oceanside pics done! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:43, March 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeez, I got 76 pics but I'm done - and that's ONLY with the promo pics... and not counting Tara, Francine, Scott, Kathy, Natania, and Beatrice who all got new pics..! Going through pics now to determine any duplicates and will upload in batches. Will need help updating the background page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:15, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I am uploading the "good" duplicates, not the poor ones or low quality, so don't worry. First batch is out. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:31, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I have 51 left. I will group the duplicates together in their file name (ie. Extra7 and 7a) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay done with the first round. 9 extras uploaded in those 22 pictures. I have 44 left to go through. Gonna wait a bit so I don't clog up Recent Changes. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:48, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice job so far. And yeah there's a lot of blurry extras from "Swear" - just the way it is so we will have to use our best judgement. I uploaded some more, gonna add a couple more to round 2 - keep an eye out for more uploads in Recent Changes. I wonder if the extras are wearing the same clothes from "Swear"? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:22, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Oceanside Redshirts
Haha I fee ya, good call on a new thread! I just took some screenshots from the episode, cropping now. A lot of movements so it's hard to get quality photos but I'm trying lol. That would be super helpful to have them help out check for duplicates, etc, since we may be missing several, especially with all the "Swear" pictures! I'm sure you saw it already but I left messages on the talk pages of those two Oceansiders. Gonna need all the help we can get! But thank goodness for so many promo shots of Oceanside - makes life much easier. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:11, March 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * Bummer on Marisol, maybe another time. Or maybe Oceanside is involved next week (I'm not reading any spoilers for 7x16, so don't confirm or deny lol). They will definitely be back for Season 8 I'm sure, so she may just be staying mum. At least she updates her IMDB lol, I noticed she adds pictures of herself from TWD. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:22, March 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm confident we will. Even if it's just one more time, like a goodbye after they wish to live in peace, especially after Cyndie leads a group of women to help Alexandria at the last minute or something lol. And don't worry about it haha, I don't mind it at all, I enjoy getting messages from you. You're one of the few people here who enjoy redshirts/extras as much as I do along with Bailey, Myelle, Rick123Axel, Hallowseve, etc. Idk why, it all started in 2006 when I was watching LOST and eventually discovered wikia - they had such a detailed list of survivors including background cast and had the majority of them identified, tracked all their episode appearances etc. There was even an outrage after several long-time extras who were gunned down in Season 4 and 5 got pages but were deleted off the wiki simply because they didn't have a credit, even if they lasted longer than main characters! Lol. PS, finally finished uploading the promo pics. I have some screenshots I will add tomorrow. After that, feel free to see what I missed from the episode if you can get any good enough shots! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 05:09, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay! All Oceanside pics have been uploaded. After we merge/create entries for everyone, I say we move all the obscure/backside shots of Oceansiders from "Swear" to the bottom of the list, so the ones we have good pics or or face front are ahead of the backside ones (since they have the potential of being duplicates). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:03, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS, just watched the Making Of for 7x15 and the stunt coordinator confirmed there was at least 70 people at the woods scene between the Oceansiders and Alexandrians. While there's no exact number, it means there's approximately 60 or more people in Oceanside. Anyone who did not appear in that scene, we can assume they're just not visible in the crowd or ended up hiding in their houses =P --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:30, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's awesome! Good news and very helpful! What are your thoughts on File:Extra3 (Swear).png and File:Extra23 (Something They Need).png being the same? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:21, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought too. Just figured I'd check. Most people didn't appear on screen in "Swear" so it's nice to finally get good pics from 7x15 - though I think a lot were newbies too. Some people had minor wardrobe changes I noticed in "Swear", so I thought it was possible. As for Survivor #40, the first two are the same as you can see from hair and clothes. Maybe the 7x15 photo is a different girl? The shirt looks same, just no shawl? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:29, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Oceanside Extras
Hey, noticed some more extras on IMDB:
 * Kathi Binkley - has a FB
 * Renah Gallagher - has photos of her on her IMDB and Facebook - this seems to her due to same spotted gray shirt
 * Chatejah George - has a FB, photo of her in 7x15 on her Instagram, I believe this is her due to hair length and gray shirt
 * Catherine Jerald - has a FB

--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:53, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good :) I think I am all done. I'm ready for the finale! I've avoided all spoilers. Not even reading the "who dies section" on the walkingdeadforums.com because I'm sure someone will sneak in an actual death in their "prediction", lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:18, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * We'll see! I feel like All Out War will continue into the first half of Season 8 or something. Who knows. Not sure how it fully played out in the comics. Ps. identified another Savior. What a productive day on my day off from work lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:50, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Chat. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:08, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

I would say yes, that recent addition is the same woman from 7x06 - is that new image from 7x06 or 7x15 btw? Also, I still need to get the pic of survivor #6 from 7x15, I saw her running away. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:43, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, good find then. Do you recognize her as any of the "new" women who may be towards the bottom of page? Also, I'm speaking to one of the extras who is really nice and helping me locate Keely McCallister in 7x15 since she's hard to find. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Esther Pittman. Her family members are survivors for the Hilltop, Kingdom, and Saviors lol. She was also in 7x06 but was cut. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:45, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup! I posted them (husband and daughter) already on the Hilltop and Kingdom pages. Her daughter had a wardrobe change in 7x02, but she was there! Her family member/friend was one of Bud's Saviors - identified on Saviors page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:55, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did not get Caleb yet, was trying to find another photo of him that identifies him since he's obstructed in that promo pic. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:09, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Does your source have any idea who she is? If she was in 7x15? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Discovery?
It's possible, I can't tell but it's not the first time they reused very minor extras, like the nursing home people. Maybe one of the Oceanside extras would recognize her? Also any more potential duplicates? I found two yesterday including one that I thought was Ariticia Rose. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:14, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Two bad those two girls aren't the same person. Also, do you think #52 appeared in 7x06 as someone else, maybe one of the sentries? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:06, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, not bad! It's to be expected that some people would only appear once due to different filming dates but we can assume they are still "there" or elsewhere :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:31, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm checking out your recent edits... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:13, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * File:OceansideWoman1.png would be File:Extra34a (Something They Need).png, no?
 * I do not think #5 is correct. The second pic has a long sleeve shawl and lighter pants versus the short sleeve shirt and dark pants the 7x06 girl has.
 * I don't think #48 is right.
 * Yes, there should be 57 Oceansiders then but that would include Natania, Kathy, Beatrice, Cyndie, and Rachel. However, that number was an approximation - there are probably more extras than that. When organizing the background cast, I think they tried to get the extras to commit to both 7x06 and 7x15, and it seems the majority were able to do both, with the expectation that a few could not make the second episode, which may lead to several new extras hired as needed. We know that several people were in 7x06 but did not make it on screen (like Gail Everett-Smith and Esther Pittman, etc). I think we have a lot of people who were clearly seen for 7x15 (thankfully) who were probably in 7x06 but we can't tell because the photos (mostly from the scene where Tara leaves) are of their backside or they're blurry/far away. As for the Oceanside(26) and Extra42 - I think they look alike, even if the wardrobe isn't the same, she may have taken off that shirt for 7x15 or had a wardrobe swap. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:04, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ps, I found a few more duplicates this morning. Check out my edits. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:01, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that too, guess after losing all the men, they trained some of the teenagers. I mean look at Rachel, lol. Also I think I spotted two more extras to add. In the scene where Natania walks away defeated, you can see a shorter and older African American woman. And the other person is this taller blonde woman with a jacket. Hard to see, she's in the scene I described and also seen running in the woods when the bombs go off. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:16, April 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake, you are unbanned! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:49, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Unknown characters
Hey a majority of the characters you are making unknown arent needed. Arat, for example wouldnt have an off-screen death, same with Barbara, Anna, Kent etc. Also its been confirmed that only two unnamed Alexandria residents died. They werent just randomly killing poeple, they were tying them up. Mark, Gavin, Jared etc were not credited and therefore we should not assume they took part in the battle and besides like I said, their deaths wouldnt be off-screen. If you dont agree please see what an admin has to say about it. Myelle (talk) 02:47, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Hey man, sorry about that! You're good to go! ^_^

The Artist Formerly Known as Caulk (talk) 03:50, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Mikey
I'm reluctant to say that's Mikey. Pereonally I think the face is shaped a little different. Maybe we can get in touch with the actor and found out? I doubt they would bring in Elijah just to potray a corpse lol it's probably jusy a random extra. However, I do believe Mikey should be moved to dead now. It's been a long time and I doubt we'll ever see him again. Kinda already added that on his page. Mister T did say he was moving him to dead on his page, it should be official. It sucks they never brought him back. Myelle (talk) 21:35, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking that I was possibly Mikey when I was watching the episode last night. Survivor56 (talk) 21:52, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

7x16 Pictures
Hey, I am taking screenshots now and going to be uploading pictures soon. I will probably upload the pics of those confirmed killed. Could use your help updating the background pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:53, April 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, I'm still screenshotting! So far I have 8 confirmed deaths. Strangely, all are Scavengers, not one Savior yet (one of them may have been a Savior, I'll check later. Lot of recurring Hilltop extras including the blacksmith and woodworker. PS one of the Alexandrians tied up in the street looks like Rachel Collins. Also the old man from 7x04. The old black man held hostage next to Jennifer Davis looks like the same one from 7x04 too. But they definitely brought in a bunch of new of Alexandria extras. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:06, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm up to 12 identifiable people for dead, but there are a bunch of other people dead too. Hard to tell who they are because they are so far away. I will probably assign random Scavengers those deaths on my page if we can't figure out who they are. Almost done. Also nice find!! Contact him and see what he has to say!! Looks like him. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:35, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * People I can identify at the graveyard: Maggie, Tara, Jesus, Carl, Rick, Daryl, Carol, extras Jennifer/Jason/Elizabeth, Scott, Francine, Enid, Ezekiel, Aaron, Eric, Bertie, Tobin, Gabriel and extra Christopher Gaynor. Several Hilltop extras there too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:41, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, uploaded the 12 confirmed deaths. I recognize a bunch of them. I will add pics in batches. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:06, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Glad we got confirmation he was in the church scene. Also, Josh Turner is gonna check the background page and see if any Saviors died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:18, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just uploaded pictures of the Alexandrians. I will get the rest of the Saviors and Scavengers tomorrow along with Hilltop/Kingdom. The high res promo pictures should be out tomorrow too. PS, I changed Scavenger12 (First Day) to Savior1 (First Day) - I believe he was a Savior. Lot of newbies in this episode for deaths but at least we have some recurring Scavenger deaths. I guess they saving a lot of the deaths for next season then. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:26, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * You should reach out to your Alexandrian friend and see why so many newbies were brought in for 7x16 lol. And if anyone else died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:57, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, tomorrow. I saw a bunch fleeing in promo pics so I will get those and it can help tell us who got away. Either way, still gonna be a lot hard to identify. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:31, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was confused at that part.. not sure if that meant 80 crew members and 40 cast members? But I think among all the groups there are more than 40 people. Not sure, I'll look at that again. Also, finished Kindgom and Hilltop uploads for now. Check my edits. Doing Saviors now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:00, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * All I have left are Scavengers. I got the high res photos uploaded - replaced several Scavenger/Savior photos and got new Hilltop photos. It appears 11 Hilltoppers + Enid, Bertie, Eduardo accompanied Maggie (15 total) and 4 Kingdomners + Dianne, Alvaro, Jerry, Daniel, Carol, Morgan accompanied Ezekiel (11 total). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:17, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did Laura Barg-Walkow confirm she died? Was she in any previous episodes? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:17, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I think she died too, after Shiva starts attacking. Hopefully she can help determine which extras died. I have 13 extra deaths so far but I know there are some at least half a dozen more deaths. I'm gonna assign random Scavengers if we can't determine who died based off of who is confirmed to be alive. I have two high res photos of Scavengers exiting the gate. Will upload tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:29, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's really good news because they look absolutely nothing alike to me, especially the hair. But thank you for getting confirmation. Ps, is this Lucy? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:37, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleted and awesome, will remove that duplicate from my page. I think I saw her atop the truck at the end shooting before fleeing. Any more Scavenger deaths identified? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:03, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed you removed NBF Extra159.png, why? Is that Laura? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:22, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * You should ask one of the Scavengers if Farron/Anja Akstin filmed previously. Also, another extra identified but can't tell which one. Sean Ganus. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:34, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, it's funny to read the comments as well as all the memes happening. If that FB page can get lots of likes, then he may be eligible for a page due to such a large fan base... I'd consider it. Lol. His friend Opensorce (one of the guys commenting I believe) is determined to get him a page. I shared your page for the Scavenger for now. It'll die down soon enough. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:20, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Go to chat btw. EDIT: I have to run out for a bit, be back 20 min, I'll leave myself on chat so see you in a few. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:23, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting, it's entirely possible. They were there for a second and disappeared for the rest of the scene. I don't count them as Alexandrians. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:49, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I uploaded some Scavengers, I added some to the background page but will leave the rest to you :) I have some more to upload (promo ones are up, only screenshots left) but not in any rush. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:49, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I expected there to be a lot of newbies. It can be interpreted that there are more people living in the massive junkyard community than we've met. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:24, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Mikey
How do we know Mikey's dead for sure? Yes, he's been gone for too long to believe he's alive, but in the comics, so is Barbara, and she's been gone for two or more years now.

CDandme (talk) 22:32, April 6, 2017 (UTC)CDandme

Scavengers
Hey the 7x16 pic for survivor #63 is actually survivor #25. Also, we don't need the extra comma after "later". For example, it should be: Arrives at Alexandria with other Scavengers, helps the Saviors shoot at the milita, later flees with surviving Scavengers.

Great job with the pages so far! Myelle (talk) 00:35, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate ?
NBF Extra 47 and 56 are the same? Thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:24, April 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * I saw that! Very awesome! Wonder if the people she tagged are other Oceanside extras? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:01, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Any update on that interview? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:21, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrians
Time for a new message section but that's awesome! Just found him on Facebook and his post is public so I can see Tonia's comment. Can't believe my survivors list is being shared by so many people! I did not see Clutch in the end - maybe he was killed off and his FB post is his excitement/surprise that I have him as alive? Lol, idk. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:06, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice, I'll keep a look out for them. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:47, April 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * To clarify, File:Alexandrian5 (First Day).png is Ryan Dorman? Weird that they did a wardrobe change. Also, I found out in the Making Of video for 7x16 that a Kingdom soldier died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's weird but glad he told us. I will assign Ryan Dorman his own character instead of using him as Mikey. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Kent
Hey I'm 99.999% sure that the photo Mister T uploaded for Survivor #15 is actually Kent (David Marshall Silverman), not Rog. He resembles Kent in terms of body weight, face, and hair. I double checked and Kent is also wearing the SAME EXACT outfit he wore in 7x04 and 7x07 (brown pants and a blue collar shirt). Mister T told me to get proof that Kent filmed and I repsonded saying that it was listed on David Marshall Silverman's IMDb. So he did appear in 7x16 just wasn't credited (which IMDb makes note of). Mister T did not reply to me so I'm coming to you. If you're confident as well that it is Rog, please get confirmation that he filmed for 7x16 as I'm pretty sure it's Kent based on my facts. We have no proof Rog filmed, I believe, but do have proof Kent filmed. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks! Myelle (talk) 07:17, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did not see your response but IMDB isn't always reliable. It could be Kent I'm just surprised they didn't credit him. Maybe the Scavenger extra Eric that Jack is talking to can confirm whether or not Kent appeared. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 12:02, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * A while back, I thought okay maybe it could be Rog. And then after that IMDb listing I started doubting it and then when I went and watched 7x16 again and then noticed after watching 7x04 and 7x07 that they're wearing the same outfit, I definitely doubted it! Go back and watch Kent's full body scene for 7x04 and his scene for 7x07 and just compare the body, clothes, face, everything. It's obvious, as least in my opinion, that it's Kent. And this wouldn't be the first time someone appeared but wasn't credited. Kyle Gallner (Zach) in 4x16 and Dallas Roberts (Milton) in 3x16 are just a couple examples. Myelle (talk) 12:14, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I just asked an Alexandria extra and he said DMS/Kent was not on set as far as he can remember. We'll see what Jack's extra says if there's a difference. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was considering DMing David on Insta but don't know if he would reply. He would be the best source by a long shot. Also Mister T. Can you show that pic to the extra. Maybe they'll have even second thoughts, or, better yet ask if Rog was filming! Myelle (talk) 13:30, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say go for it, it's worth a shot. I sent the extra the link to Kent's page so he would recognize him but he said he wasn't there - I do not want to further bother him. Let's see what Eric the Scavenger says, because this Alexandria extra said Kent was not there and he was not too far from the Rog/Kent guy. Someone probably saw who they thought was Kent in the 7x16 promo and added him to IMDB. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:24, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

It's amazing how many extras have been identified lately, with the Alexandrians and Scavengers and especially the three Hilltop extras tonight. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Wtf, a whole convo happeed on my talk page... Cool lol.
 * Yeah I thought it was Kent too at first but then I saw that he was uncredited and we never really saw an up-close Kent, which makes me think its probably an extra and it looks like Rog. Who knows, hopefully we can get confirmation but one extra said he did not see DMS/Kent during filming for 7x16. And nah, I didn't get confirmation, I thought they looked similar. I wonder if its a new woman or either Tonia or the Denise-lookalike extra. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:46, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's pretty cool! Glad she loves it. Did she say whether or not she appeared in more episodes? Hope she's still with the show. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:21, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's awesome to see so many extras excited and talking about it on Facebook as well as the extras who came to edit on the wiki. Cassidy has been listed on IMDB but I guess we haven't found her yet. Can you confirm with Maggie (if she wants to talk) that those are the right images assigned to her? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:35, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Kent thing, I'll message David on Insta and see if he replies. If someone can at least get confirmation that Rog filmed, I'll let it go. Also, that's awesome on the extras! Glad they're finally seeing stuff like this. Myelle (talk) 03:23, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

New extra
An Alexandrian extra identified herself here. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:20, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * So did a Hilltop woman :) I left messages on both of their talk pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:17, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Do you know if any of the images from Hilltop #38 are of Cassidy? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:40, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sooo many Hilltop extras are identified, its great! And ironic you just identified Hilltop #25, I was just thinking to myself "hmm I wonder who she is". PS I got in contact with Dani that Alexandrian extra. Asked her a question on FB, we'll see if she answers. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:14, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I like it. I need to talk to you on chat later :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:45, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Go on now! =D --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:00, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hey just sharing that Jennifer will be back Season 8. Also, Bob Miller, did not film for the finale. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:36, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Kent, again lol
Hey check Kent's gallery and put his pics for 7x07 "Sing Me A Song" and 7x16 "The First Day of the Rest of Your Life" beside each other and tell me that's not the same person lol. I know Mister T. said extras didnt see David on set but jesus lol that's the same person! It's again also on his IMDb and I know Mister T as well said it isn't as reliable but I'll have to disagree. I while back when I tried to edit Mandi Christine Kerr's profile, it had to be checked by IMDb staff before it could be published. In other words, the staff makes sure it's a correct edit before it is changed. IMDb wouldn't have listed David in the episode if he didn't appear and surely David would have it removed if it was incorrect. Until we get confirmation that Rog filmed I will always believe that's Kent lol. I hope I don't sound like a winey little brat who won't let this go lol but it has been itching at me forever. If someone can just find out if Rog filmed I'll be happy haha.

PS I didn't upload Kent's 7x16 photo. Another user did. Myelle (talk) 20:09, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, meant to reply sooner but just got caught up in things. Buy yeah, I totally understand. Just glad I don't have to think obout it anymore. Also one thing that's been bugging me. In the Scavengers for Survivor #63 I believe there are two photos that I believe are a different women. The two photos from New Best Friends I think are someone else and the two photos from Rock in The Road and the finale are of another women. Does that make sense? Message me if you have any questions. Myelle (talk) 16:30, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Hey I think you misunderstood my message, kinda understandable because it was hard to explain. I'm gonna explain by numbering the pics so for example the first picture is pic #1 etc. So I think pic #1, #4, and #5 are of one women and pic #2 and #3 are of another. I basically don't think they're the same women. As in the women in pics #1, #4, and #5 isn't the same women in pics #2 and #3. They might be wearing similiar clothing, but their faces are difinitely not the same structure imo. Hope that makes better sense. Myelle (talk) 00:13, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Go on chat real quick when you can. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:48, April 15, 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't that look like Dani laying dead in that Alexandria hostages photo you uploaded? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:16, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Michaela
Yaaas the queen shall reign <3 MaidenOfHope (talk) 07:53, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:The Militia
I took a shot at identifying people on my talk page - feel free to edit the ??? numbers. As for that person, I think the orange thing is different and I can't tell how long RC's hair is nowadays but I think it could be her. Also, any update on Eric's interview/the other dead Alexandrians? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:59, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I think it's Rachel, most likely is. Good point about the old guy, probably is that. And #2 as Marc Dementer, that's what I thought too. People missing from the speech scene: Sherry, Clutch Brady & extra in plaid, two Kingdom soldiers, Hilltop woodworker, the "Kent". Anyone I don't see next season I'm moving to dead. The two Kingdom soldiers were seen in the end riding their horses as the last of the Scavengers on the wall shoot at the survivors. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:31, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not #6 and I don't see her anywhere else in the crowd. Same with the woman in the green jacket from the hostage scene. It's possible some people are at the infirmary or elsewhere since the speech scene was filmed on a different day, maybe not everyone was able to make it, like the two Kingdom riders who may be animal wranglers. So I will wait a bit in Season 8 before moving them to dead. Besides, Clutch said he was alive or something. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:47, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * He is listed as an Alexandrian on IMDB - maybe he's #2 from that photo --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:53, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's annoying with all the newbies. As long as they're recurring... maybe he was in the church in 7x04. And your format is cool, nice collage style. I prefer seeing the names too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:06, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * That is news. I will move Stephanie to dead next season when there's an event with multiple casualties. I have a feeling Kingdom or Hilltop will be attacked in retaliation and people will be killed... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:50, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good call, I forgot about Tonia, but I believe JL said she filmed for the finale in a Facebook post, so it could be her. She was at the church scene. And yeah I remember Danielle telling me something like that. It's weird they did that, and either way, still meant there were dead Alexandrians out there. I was gonna move "Dani" to dead and create a second character for Danielle on my page because that's so silly make extras lay dead but will all be alive in Season 8. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:59, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I guess so, still means there are some Alexandrians dead but I'm gonna stick with the 3 dead extras we know of lol that's good enough. Sounds like they didn't want too many dead. And sounds good, Oceanside and Scavengers could use another look through. I think there are more Kingdom fighters, we see other guards and soldiers in training and some probably stayed behind to protect the home. A total of 11 Kingdomners were at the battle and that was enough, given that they probably weren't expecting a fight to begin with. I'm sure Kevin and Nabila will be involved as trained milita, either as defenders or soldiers. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:43, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD
Please, let's talk about your persistant reversions on the character page, rather than engaging in a rather unhelpful, tedious reversion process!

Many thanks,

Nash101 (talk) 23:17, April 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Right okay:


 * Mrs Diaz: Throughout your point on Mrs Diaz, you're referring to the exact reason why she should remain as Unknown. You yourself are saying "I don't see how...", this showing how you too, don't know what happened to her. The facts are that we simply do not know what happened to the character. I too, agree, that it is unlikely she survived. However, the definition of an unknown character is one of being "alive when last seen", which Mrs Diaz was, "unsecured", which she too, was, or, "absent in later episodes or written out of the show" - she fits the definition of the Unknown Character completely. I've watched over the episode where Madison et all visit the ballroom, and there is very little evidence of any deaths in the ballroom. And to the point of her son; well I assume they were rather busy getting Jessica to safety, seeing as she had just been bitten in the neck. We know they got out - to the extent Jessica was able to be taken all the way up to the honeymoon suite - so it is not improbable that Mrs Diaz was taken under the wings of someone else in the chaos and escaped the hotel. Finally, whilst Ilene was very forceful in stating Elena killed her family, the sons weren't - and this can be attributed to the fact that they simply don't know what happened to their mother. Overall, Mrs Diaz could be dead, I agree. But she too could be alive. Now the only sensible consensus decision is to put her as Unknown - a placement which would not, in one bit, go against the definition of being an Unknown character.


 * Charles Stowe: You claim all the walkers in the hotel were put down? Well, no, this is incorrect. They were led off a pier, into the slipstream. Furthermore, again, no, he was not last seen dead either - he was last seen zombified biting his daughters neck. The example of T-Dog, he was seen eaten to the point of no return, so the comparison is not accurate. Charles was last seen zombified. We know that the hotel fell, and that it fell quickly. To such extent that those working there (Christina) didn't even have a chance to escape as she's seen in her work uniform. Now as the hotel was fine pre-Charles; Charles must have therefore been a contributing factor to the fall of the hotel, using the information we have. And as said, Ilene, Andres, Oscar - all so horrified at Charles turning and needing to aid a hugely distressed, screaming Jessica would have tried to get out of there as quickly as possible, not hang around to kill him. So, yes, I stand by this - with far greater conviction than Mrs Diaz, we never saw him being put down by anyone, so in the precedent set throughout the Wiki, he's still undead. It's like saying Jim is dead because someone might have come along and killed him?


 * Unnamed Characters: Why are we deleting "Ms" characters? What makes this any lesser worthy than characters of the "Mr" or "Mrs" category? If we delete the Thompson sisters, and the Herrera Girl, then surely we delete Mr Cruz, Mrs Diaz? Furthermore, this goes completely against precedent set? For example, take Ms. McLeod, a character who appears on TWD Main Character Page. Why is this "Ms." allowed but the ones I have put up, are not? And futher, Dr.Stevens, she's unnamed, as is Mr. Jacobson, Mrs. Blake, I can go on.

I think what I struggle to see with the above edits is how despite one following precedent set by the Wiki through the TWD character page, for some reason, this precedent is being disregarded on the FTWD pages? I remember when I deleted and merged character groups on the page - and this was reverted as it went against precedent - yet, when I follow precedent by not assuming a characters death and listing per the Unknown definition, listing a character undead as they were last seen as undead, and listing Ms. characters as not only do they already exist on TWD pages, but have the same equal weighting as Mr, Mrs, Dr, Sir, Lord, Lady... these are reverted too...?

--Nash101 (talk) 00:32, April 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * ??? --Nash101 (talk) 11:33, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * And brilliant work on Hector (Fear The Walking Dead), nice job. I assume this was a private interview - so nothing we can link to? --Nash101 (talk) 11:39, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks! Hope my albeit small comment hoped to bolster your argument ever so slightly. Have you had thoughts about the above yet? Thanks. --Nash101 (talk) 00:05, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Any chance you could reply to the Ms., Mrs Diaz & Charles stuff? Thanks. --Nash101 (talk) 23:56, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

My comments, as requested: You make a good argument for Charles Stowe, I'm willing to leave him as undead after reading that. I guess it's just that the Diaz brothers would surely have gone out of their way to put down Charles, at the request of Ilene, especially as an undead Charles was never seen again, leading to his likely death. Anyway, we can leave as undead, I am okay with that I suppose. But Mrs. Diaz should remain dead as everyone at the wedding scene was most likely killed off given the carnage and the number of undead wedding guests seen - this was an event to kill off everyone, especially all extras (like Woodbury in 3x16), including Mrs. Diaz, who was just an extra who happened to be cast as that person, but not an intended character for the storyline - aka don't overthink it. As for the points you mentioned in your message, I didn't see anything on Celia and Jorge but both should be left as dead, as sources have mentioned their demise and the show was set up that way. Until there's evidence or possibility that they will be brought back or not as dead, leave as dead - they're done. For Reynaldo, we saw him shot and killed, and that was it. Leave him as dead, until we see him reanimated etc - same precedent for the other characters of similar status. As for adding a hospital heading for two minor and for-a-while-left-unnamed characters, I don't see it as needed, just include with other LA residents. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:45, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Named Extras
Hey, Myelle and I were talking and we were discussing several extra pages that should be deleted, simply because they are not notable/recurring enough and we don't want to get carried away with named extras who are very minor (sort of like why we didn't make pages for Buffy and Lucy the Scavengers, Roger Clay, Jackson Wallace and Larry the Saviors etc). Specifically, we are talking about getting rid of John (barely appeared, very insignificant), Dan (one time appearance, very minor), Claire & Gloria as they are some of the less recurring/notable Woodburians. However, pages like Natalie, Jake, the Achey Woman, etc. can stay since they are/were more recurring/notable. Thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:22, April 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I am indifferent but I am trying to reach a compromise. I would suggest you discuss a little with Myelle on chat to get his understanding. I do not want mass deletions either, and those 4 pages are the only ones I am okay with getting rid of. I wouldn't mind keeping Claire and Gloria since they were more recurring than the other ones. Pages such as Holly, Maryanne, Sam etc are a little different because they are names mentioned in dialogue, so they automatically get pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:35, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

RE:New Alexandrian
Too bad he didn't show up. Hopefully he does in Season 8. If not, I won't even count him on my survivors page if he never shows up. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:31, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Hey I got your message, I've been busy but I'll have to take a look at it. Go on chat for a second. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:03, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Chat again real quick? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:14, May 6, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers
Dude it took me like over 15 min to delete all those unecessary comas and you just undid my edit. Why? Myelle (talk) 16:23, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Okay but those comas STILL need to be removed! They're not necessary. It needs to say "later flees with surviving Scavengers" without the coma. So either undo your revision or spend the next 15 minutes yourself removing those comas. Thanks. Myelle (talk) 16:32, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Hey hope there's not any hard feelings between us. I can come off as harsh sometimes and I assure you I never mean it that way.

PS - I'm going to edit and remove those comas from the  Scavenger page later but I won't remove anything else lol Myelle (talk) 17:27, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Hey
Hey there Jack a user found them apparently if you scroll down more off the wikia so i assumed it was them since Bill is a positve match and Xavilaine also looks like a match. --Bailey16 (talk) 16:33, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Characters
Hey, make sure any characters who get deleted have their information added to the background page as well as their actor pages. I just did that for Ross and did the same for Thomas, Claire, and Gloria yesterday. Not sure why Mr. Richards was deleted unless people think the guy portrayed by Andrew Crigler is him. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:52, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Hey
I've been meaning to take better photos of Scavengers from that episode but glad you're doing it. 81a is definitely different. I think 19 and 70 could be the same. Not sure if I have them listed as the same on my page, I can't remember. I'm also on Chat if you need me. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:43, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? They look different to me, one looks Latino.. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:53, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up :) ---Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:42, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers Page
Nice job finishing up the Scavengers page. I'll have to go through it and see who I'm missing from my page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:44, May 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrian
No way, that guy is lanky unlike Jake lol. Besides, he's seen with Jason Lyell and Elizabeth in the background when Farron screams and falls. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:32, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, he's a newbie. Who's Bobby and which one is the elder? Lol. Maybe Danielle Lyman would know who he is. I bet he was at the church too. And same! At first I wasn't excited with all of the military stuff but it looks cool with the ranch and the dam. I'm guessing the hotel gets overrun or something bad happens. In trailer it shows Strand held to the ground and seems there are survivors in the background - one with a stroller. Maybe he flees with some hotel refugees? Hopefully he doesn't just leave on his own and leaves Elena, Hector and Ilene behind lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:42, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah yes Bobby. What was he wearing? Was he that guy way in the distance on the lookout platform when you can see Dani, Ryan and Kent? The old guy is random, wouldn't be surprised if he's an Alexandrian -__-. As for FTWD, yup I'm expecting newbies since there are so many extras. Can assume more have been arriving at the gates (like we saw with Brandon's group). If something does happen, I'll move most to unknown unless hotel is completely overrun or something. Supposedly spoilers say we don't see La Colombia again. What a shame, probably all unknown since no named characters are left besides Luciana. As for Lola, I think she's a good person. Read her bio. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:54, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * That would have been nice, that dang girl should have gotten a name lol but she's missing now. Wonder who took her and ran when the shots started lol. Yeah if you read the spoilers, there's some bad stuff going down at the dam. Idk if it will be a recurring location but we'll see. I think I'll like the Lola woman (lol reminds me of the "Lenora lady"). As for Camila, who knows. Haven't seen anyone who fits that description yet - maybe she'll be later in the season, as a group who attacks the ranch. Final predictions: RIP La Colonia, they're done. Rosarito hotel, overrun by internal zombie attack or raided by bad guys or riot from refugees, it'll be wiped out either way. Curious about how long Broke Jaw will last. I can see Jeremiah being like Hershel from the farm - the ranch seems to be an isolated community and not really aware of the total horror of the apocalypse that Madison and the others have witnessed. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:08, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a good idea - definitely the wedding survivors & hotel refugee sections. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:56, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD 3x02
The Q&A is out for 3x02, if you want to go find it. I have not read it. Only saw a glimpse but it includes stuff about the hotel and Strand. May answer some questions you had. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:12, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for the reverts, I just don't agree. Nothing personal!

All the best. Nash101 (talk) 00:53, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, as you can see with all the newer characters (I'm working backwards with the alive characters as a priority), how is the background survivor hunt going? --Nash101 (talk) 01:00, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

Confirmation?
Do you have confirmation of this? Thanks Nash101 (talk) 10:47, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

RE:FTWD
Yeah! I really liked those two episodes, with 3x02 being better than the first. I was so surprised at all those deaths! I knew about Steven dying but most certainly not Travis OR Charlene OR Ilene! A lot of captives died in 3x01, along with the "sleeping guard" and Willy. I didn't realize Blake had a last name and is a guest star - interesting. There's a lot of people at the ranch - two people credited but didn't speak are Russell Brown and Martha Brown, an elderly couple. Thought of Bob and Natalie, lol. I think Martha and Brown were sitting in the shade against their RV when Jeremiah was talking to Madison about the ranch. I'm sure we will see plenty more of the ranch folks, so I'm not worried. I'm going to try and do my best with the clear 3x01 soldiers, since all came back to the ranch, we'll probably see them again (that was a big convoy!). And yeah the hotel has been getting a lot more refugees it seems - thanks to Madison's actions. I do not think we will see the hotel again - they are done. The amends between Strand and Ilene (plus her death and him getting the car) signaled the closing of the hotel storyline it seems. Elena and Hector are cold now and gonna have to deal with the hotel population. Good luck to them. Definitely RIP to the La Colonians, won't be seeing them again either. That's okay, we got the ranch and already have a bunch of named residents :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:29, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know I was bummed about Ilene, but I think they did her death very well. I couldn't see her joining the main group or living at the hotel among the crazy refugees. Charlene was a sweetheart and was really close with Jake, I think her death will hit Jake hard. I did not see that coming at all. Yeah I'm gonna try to count the refugees at the gate. It may be like 15, hard to tell (I'm currently downloading the episode so I can take screenshots). As for the original ones, yeah, no reason they would leave ya know? They were literally begging to be let in. The hotel is gonna get overrun, lot of angry and needy people - there's no unison, it's a recipe for disaster. Elena and Hector aren't gonna be able to handle it but I really don't think we'll see them again - no reason to return to the hotel. They banished everyone (Strand, Madison, Alicia, Travis). As for Madison, she is a mix of Carol and Rick. I like it, better than Travis IMO. I hope we see her become a leader and step up and do the hard stuff. I like Alicia too. Looking forward to the dam and see what happens there! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:47, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the dam will probably be a one-time location like the military depot in 3x01. I think Broke Jaw will be recurring and will be in conflict with the Native Americans (??) aka Qaletqa Walker and Crazy Dog. We know Ofelia ends up with them, I wonder how. Perhaps they rescued her from Jeremiah's clutches and we'll see it in 3x03? Yeah we are still a few months into the apocalypse so there will still be a lot of people or settlement around. Eventually they will die out or be overrun or ambushed, but for now there's still refugee camps-turned settlements I guess. It'll be nice to see a somewhat "normal" life at BJR, like at Alexandria. Where the soccer moms at?! LOL. PS I like Jeremiah so far, Jake too. Troy needs to die ASAP. He's trouble. The new Chris. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:52, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's been boring on the wiki with the shows on hiatus. Plus I been playing Dying Light again and working on that wiki. I learned how to take screenshots on the Xbox so it's been great. You're probably right about Camila - she'll be someone on that side. Who knows. I'm currently talking screenshots from 3x01, I hope to have them uploaded before I go to bed. As for the Rosarito page, yeah I don't think there needs to be a page for them. Just include it on the general background survivors page. The La Colonia people appeared more times. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:29, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Took 51 screenshots, brought it down to 28 cropped photos, and uploaded 14 of the militia members. Will upload the 14 captives tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:19, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm here. Last of 3x01 screencaps uploaded: 14 captives including "Next Victim". --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:55, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I'm gonna work on 3x02 today :) not gonna go crazy because we will get better shots next week for sure. Already have a couple done, including Russell Brown (I think). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 12:17, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeez, there are so many refugees. It's impossible to get them all. There's around 35-40 people at the gates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:22, June 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took me so long but I'm done with the ranch people. Didn't go too crazy because as seen in the 3x03 sneak peek, we get lots of good looks at the people so I'm gonna get better ones there. We can hear Vernon name Charlene's mother as Patty so hopefully we get a shot of her. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:37, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

The Dam
All those people in line... don't even ask for screencaps lol. I'll get the guards and the old lady :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:17, June 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem, and it sounds like there's a community at the dam? I can't tell but I think those people in line were just survivors from Tijuana? The recap called them "Tijuanans" but we'll see more of the dam next week. I low key hope we get better confirmation Celia is dead next week like we see her body this time lol in the Daniel flashback. As for the ranch, thank God for those promo photos, got lots of good pics, and so far they are recurring and wear the same outfits (easier identification). I saw a video I think it was for the rest of 3A but the ranch gets attacked and residents are turned? I could be completely wrong but we'll see! There's a lot of people there, they have at least 90 extras there... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:52, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Chat
Hey I wasn't on for long last night but I can be on chat on my phone while at work. I can get on chat again at 8pm tonight after work and dinner but I do wana chat about the episode - I loved it. I haven't been reading spoilers and the episodes have been much more enjoyable lol. Def not gonna read Season 8 spoilers (I didn't really read much for Season 7) but anyway. PS still gotta make the last two refugee pages from 3x02... also a confirmed death from Broke Jaw for 3x05... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:21, June 19, 2017 (UTC)

You around? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:02, June 20, 2017 (UTC)

As I suspected, the cafeteria scene at the dam has everyone blurry or in the shadows. Same with the guards on the dam as Lola and Daniel drive. Blurry. Tsk. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:33, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

Wolves
Check out User:Linus70's edits - he may be one of the Wolf extras. Made mentions of the Spear Wolf, the Face Painting Wolf, and Ed(?) Captain of the Wolves. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:54, June 22, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Hotel
Yeah the Browns dying was random but I don't mind. Lol. Offing the population of Broke Jaw. Plus Phil McCarthy is dead. And his soldiers - I moved the soldiers from 2x15 to dead since those actors likely won't be back. Any soldiers I don't see from 3x01 I'll also presume were part of his patrol and consider dead. Walker seems like a smart guy stirring up trouble trying to get land back when all the land is free now. Probably gonna be a villain unless they show how Broke Jaw wer bad to his people. Also I consider all of the hotel people dead too. Hopefully we see a little more in 3x06 when Strand flees but I believe they are all dead. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:21, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

La lucy

she talked about it when she was with Nick mid way thru the episode

Roxanne (Video Game)
Somehow one of the users knows that character's name. Mitt Campbell (talk) 21:17, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Chat
Hey I got back from vacation yesterday. Gonna do some pic cropping today for the past two episodes. I'll log onto chat from my phone in case you're around. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:03, July 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did some promo pics, added some to background survivors page. Also gotta make page for Paul, a survivor Troy (or Jake?) yelled out to during the house fire in 3x05. Also, I noticed Strand ran deeper into the hotel - maybe he'll find Elena and Hector. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:57, July 5, 2017 (UTC)

Children of Wrath
I am uploading the rest of the 3x08 pics sometime soon. Doing the ranch first, then the Natives. Ps. I counted approximately 22 bodies at the mass grave. Gonna declare all those not seen since 3x01/02 dead, and then select a few from 3x03 who haven't been seen in a while as dead until I get 22 people (well 20, because of Jimmie and Joe). Will make changes if any are seen alive in 3x09 and onwards. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:44, July 17, 2017 (UTC)

Kingdom
Hey, just letting you know an extra identified himself and been doing some constructive edits to the background page. Doesn't seem to be aware of my talk page messages lol --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:45, August 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries! Yeah I was overwhelmed with both trailers coming out at once lol but I'm very excited for AOW. Gonna be crazy. Saw lot of extras but not getting any screenshots until the episodes air - not gonna waste time now when better quality/scenes will prob be available in the episodes themselves. I noticed Arat seems to be living at Simon's outpost, which makes sense as to why we never saw her at the Sanctuary. Also, did you see those Kingdom soldiers get gunned down?! Seems like a lot of new soldier extras (maybe), but some could be regular residents - one of the townsfolk was a soldier in 7x16, thanks to that Kingdom guy identifying extras. But anyway I'm looking forward to both shows! PS I feel like Francine dies early on in Season 8 because she's been in Ireland for a while... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:14, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS you have confirmation Scavengers #97 and #99 are dead? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:22, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Rocco Shapiro
Are you sure File:NBF Extra62.png is Rocco? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:58, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Bobby from Alexandria
He's been identified!! I think...! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:32, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Yup Bobby was identified! Also, two more Scavengers identified today by an extra. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:31, August 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Lol, it's all good, no worries. Left a message for Bobby's actor but no reply. Same with the Woodbury extra (already identified) who made an account today. Only a couple weeks for FTWD to return, then TWD! I have no idea what's happening, no spoilers have been coming out. Besides just the battle in 8x01 (not really a spoiler, an article confirmed it). Casualties? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:24, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also thanks for confirming #97 and #99. As for Rocco, I'll leave it as that for now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:35, August 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, many newbies too probably, but that's okay - as long as we have recurring ones I'm good. I'm more interested in the casualties for Hilltop and Alexandria - we've seen them more than the Kingdom. As for named casualties, I'm betting on Gavin, Gary, Jared, and maybe Laura for the Saviors. For the Hilltop, it can be anyone really, but I feel that Bertie and Eduardo may be safe, so Andy, Wesley, Freddie could bite the dust, Gregory too for sure. Alexandria - Eric, Bruce, Francine (who's been in Ireland?) and a couple more extras. I hope we see more of the minor Alexandrians (Bruce, Barbara, Anna) - they've been absent in Season 7 besides Episode 4. As for Luciana - that's lame she disappeared like that. BTW, found out a few more Savior nicknames today. Mean Mug Savior, Bald Savior, and Black Cap Savior lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:54, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's possible lol, didn't Gordon say his wife was buried though? It is a good photo of that zombie!! PS I read the character sighting thread at Spoilthedead.com - nothing confirmed regarding deaths but just some theories regarding Francine, Eric, Andy etc. also found out something about the Kingdom which is exciting... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:36, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Im on ---Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:45, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

La Colonia
Danay Garcia confirmed all of La Colonia is dead. I put Vieja and Alonso's daughter as dead on their pages with this source. But on my survivors page, I just put as "Presumed Deceased". --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:40, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

Alexandria extra
Hey, chatted with Robert Morato. Nice guy, revealed that he was selected as a JSS corpse by a production assistant. Also informed me the African-American extra (didn't remember his name) from Season 5 was injured in a motorcycle accident unrelated to filming and explains why he wasn't back for Season 6. Part of me thought he was the guy in green in Season 7 but don't think so. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 05:22, September 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I knew La Colonia and the hotel would be temporary, at least we got confirmation they're all dead! Shame about La Colonia though. As for Robert, I did not get a chance to ask him about the other casualties (he's on FB). Bobby is his nickname so it appears they just used that instead of his full name, he was probably called Bobby on set anyway. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:55, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Aexandrians?
If you look at the recent photos on Spoiling The Dead Fans FB page, you'll find two interesting photos.... hmm! Can't tell who they are at all but don't know what's happening there..! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:10, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes! I thought one could be Bruce. But I can't tell. FTWD was great! I'm loving the conflict between the ranchers and Natives. Noticed a lot of recurring extras. Any extras not seen in the second half, I will declare as victims of the anthrax attack. Glad to see ALL minor cast Blake, Cooper, Pat, Dax, Gabe, Terrance (RIP), Erin, and Mrs. Twomey return! And new guy Rancher Bob! Think I saw him in 3x03? AND Kerry the Greedy Rancher, who we'll see again according to the actress' IMDB. I'm waiting for more high res photos to come out but there are some of the Tijuana water people I can get. Thank God the bazaar is a one time thing lol, I'll do my best...! Ps I can't tell if Klah Jackson died in 3x09 - thought I saw him in the house with Ofelia and Crazy Dog at end of 3x10? He's a guest star versus co-star. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:03, September 11, 2017 (UTC)

Minotaur
I am doing the Tijuanas from the two water truck scenes first. I can confirm that the extras are the same for both scenes, with some more in the second scene as it was a bigger crowd. Some are even in same clothing, which helps eliminate duplicates. Not counting the four credited Tijuanans, I have 43 images to upload. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:36, September 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't see the old woman, she was at the dam and not in the city like the others but at least the crowd was recurring. Yeah I was confused wih Klah too.. maybe he was just subdued or not fatally injured at the end of 3x09? IMDB credits him for both episodes. Interesting. The bazaar is cool and I think the Proctors will be the villain of the season, we know the dam is in danger and I see Proctor people credited later on IMDB. I'm guessing that's what happens. Don't see any other villains right now. At least they didn't forget about Terrance and he got a confirmed death! Almost thought they forgot about Gabe but glad to see him in 3x10. I'm not sure if the ranch will last.. I hope it does but there's a lot of people there and I have a feeling many more will die. Promo pics for 3x12 show some upcoming drama it seems. I gotta say, FTWD does a better job with the recurring cast like Cooper, Pat etc lol. We'll see who of the ranch makes it :) we haven't seen too many Natives and it's sometimes hard to tell them apart with many of them wearing the same hats and having long hair lol. I'm gonna upload the Tijuana people tonight and then get pics of the ranchers tomorrow.--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:28, September 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: all Tijuana photos uploaded except the last 3. I'm not gonna put the files on the background page - maybe you can help with that? Ps one of the old men from 3x09 (white hair with the Irish-style hat) was also seen at dam in 3x03. I don't have a lot of pics from 3x03 since there weren't many great face shots, so it's worth checking to see if any appeared in 3x09 at either crowd scene. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:49, September 12, 2017 (UTC)

I have 33 images to upload of ranchers from 3x09. Most are recurring, with a few who may be new or never captured before. Will work on ranchers for 3x10 tomorrow, and then the bazaar then lastly the natives. So much work. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:48, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Natives
Phew, all done with ranches for 3x09 and 3x10. Feel free to go through and see what I missed from the episodes. I think we will see Kerry again, her IMDB indicates shes in 3x13. Wonder if she dies! Lol. The Natives will be tough, I'll do my best with them. Just happy that the majority of the extras in the second half are recurring - with some new faces (who maybe were never captured). Gonna move the ranchers and militia to dead by the finale if we don't see them once in the back half. More than 22 people probably died. Sounds like most of the ranch was wiped out. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:19, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

PS - I finished taking pics of the El Bazar. A lot of tiny and obscure people so I didn't go crazy. With that said, I have 40 images to upload. Phew. Also, can you help me identify who "Peddler" is? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:27, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * 19 more images to upload for El Bazar! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:47, September 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * I started with the Natives but not gonna rush. Was able to confirm no Natives died in 3x09 at the shootout. As for El Bazar, thanks! Good luck and go for it haha gonna be a lot of people. I am gonna take some more pics from the BTS video for 3x10, had some more good shots there. I don't think the minor credited characters were included in that 108 number, I think they're counted as separate actors with lines. As for that Scavenger, I saw - was she identified? Did she appear as a death in 7x16? I'll need to add her then. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:17, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

La Serpiente
Tonight's episode wasn't the action-packed ranch drama I was looking for but it was good, the sewer tunnel part got intense and I liked it. Happy to see Daniel again and was getting annoyed at Lola and her pipe dream but glad she finally changed her mind at the end. It was nice seeing Qaletaqa look so happy at the end when Madison arrived with the water truck. Next week's episode I am more excited for. I need to rewatch it but I saw Troy and a sandstorm? I wonder if he comes back and starts sniping (?) people off causing an outbreak in the ranch? Who knows but should be good. Btw, not that many extras at the dam but I should be able to get a few pics with no problem. Also, looks like the Proctors/the trading post will be back since they plan to make trades there... that may be spelling trouble for the dam if they reveal to the Proctors that they have all this water at the dam, ya know? Back half villains? Now that water may no longer be a problem for the ranch? Plus you got Troy lurking out and about... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:12, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good news, there are promo images of the dam workers/guards (7 people total). Will upload when I find higher res versions this week. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:29, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: Dam guards/workers done, Natives from 3x09 done (File:Native1 (Minotaur).png - up until #11), got better pics from El Bazar + a couple new ones. Working on Natives from 3x10 now. I won't be adding the Natives to the background page so you should. IDK if they need their own page as of right now - but probably if we see them in Season 4. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:10, September 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can tell the Proctors at the trading post are gonna cause trouble when the dam and ranchers make their trade. We'll see. They seem like the best candidates for villains. I want to see the ranchers and Natives co-exist. Maybe you can add the Native pics to the general background page, using the format that is currently on the ranch page (the TBA section) - I've noticed a few recurring people so far, like the guy in the white/red sweater, but not a lot yet. PS. I have 21 Natives to upload from 3x10 - will do tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:53, September 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Natives are done. Again, I won't be putting these on the background page - that's up to you =D Let me know if you find any duplicates, I'm adding them all to my survivors page. I'm guessing there's 50 Natives minimum at the ranch. We saw a lot of RVs, buses and trucks in their convoy in 3x09 btw. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:03, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * 3x07 - Klah Jackson?
 * 3x07 and 3x10
 * 3x07 and 3x10
 * 3x07 and 3x10
 * 3x07 and 3x09


 * You really took pics of all of the remaining 108? Oh boy lol. Also, got some photos from 3x11 of the locals. Confirmed that they're the same group from 3x10. Posting duplicates below so you can add to background page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:01, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * 3x09 and 3x11
 * 3x09 and 3x11
 * 3x09 and 3x11
 * 3x09 and 3x11

Brother's Keeper
This was exciting, super excited for next week. We see one of the named ranchers as a zombie episode - this confirms her IMDB listing. RIP Jake, Cooper, Klah, this guy. Gonna see what deaths I can identify as we see a lot of bodies being eaten by zombies. We also see a lot of people in the bunker, I'm going to identify as many as I can - I'm sure Pat, Dax, Mrs. Twomey, Erin, and Bob made it in there even if they didn't film this episode. Finally, I'm declaring anyone from the ranch not seen in the back half of Season 3 as dead, mainly from the anthrax attack from 3x07/08 and as potential casualties of 3x12 as we already see a bunch of bodies. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:06, September 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * Haven't been able to identify any other bodies. Promo images don't help but I guess whoever I don't see next week will be considered dead. Saw 4-5 bodies right before Alicia, Lee, and Ofelia fight through the herd to the pantry. I have 19 ranchers and 15 natives to upload later. PS, Christine and Dax will appear next week as per promo images for 3x13, and Gabe should be appearing as well. Wonder if Pat, Erin, Mrs. Twomey, and Bob will be making appearances. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:53, September 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Having trouble with some IDs... next week will probably help answer but I think the... thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:38, September 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * 3x12 is 3x10 - seen dead/being eaten by zombie
 * 3x12 is 3x10 - seen dead/being eaten by zombie
 * 3x12 - I think he is the body that Ofelia takes the hatchet from before they fight to the pantry. I can't tell. Same clothing and hat probably turned around so he can lay dead, but I'm not sure. He was seen running with the others but then was dead. I think he is a newbie, I am not sure if he appeared before (he could have, we just haven't seen him).


 * Uploaded 15 Natives. Below are the recurring ones so you can add to background page :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:18, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * 3x10 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10 & 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x07
 * 3x12 is 3x07
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x10
 * 3x12 is 3x07
 * 3x12 - was seen in 3x10, I didn't take a picture yet

This Land Is Your Land
I called it, I knew that is how it would end for the ranch. It's a shame but I still enjoyed the episode. At least all of our recurring characters came back and got a confirmed fate (gonna assume the same for John, Jose and Marta). Also, Kerry's father (Stan?) and son were credited. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:04, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Ranch Medic
Hey, in case you wanted to interview one of the Broke Jaw folks =D PS. Asked Kerry's actress if she knows if there was a name for her father and son in 3x13 - said she would check but confirmed her name is Kerry from the scripts. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:19, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Three Women
I think the answer is yes but need your input - are these three women different? Currently they are listed as one. And then is this woman from 3x01 same as #2 or #3? Thanks --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:26, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * One
 * Two
 * Three
 * I can see that, good call. How about the woman directly above? I'm guessing she's a one-timer because all the militia at the beginning of 3x02 don't appear again. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:25, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Very true, thanks for the input. Nice job on El Bazar! I hope we see some of them again, especially as the group makes it to to El Bazar tomorrow night. Btw, I finished all of the rancher pics from 3x13. I was annoyed the promo pics for the episode mainly focused on the final scene, like why none from the bunker besides the bitten victims? SMH. Will work on uploading the Natives soon. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:34, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good catch, they are def the same. I'd keep her in the locals section since she was probably only portraying a visiting customer for El Bazar. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:14, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Uploading 1 of 2 batches for the 3x13 Natives
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x07 and 3x13
 * 3x10 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x10 and 3x13
 * 3x10 and 3x13
 * 3x10 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x07 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x12 and 3x13
 * 3x07 and 3x10
 * 3x10 and 3x13

Second batch of Natives all done. All duplicates listed below. Many are recurring thankfully! Need to see if this guy appeared before. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:04, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS - I think this woman from 3x09 is the same as the local/El Bazar woman, just a different scene from 3x09. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:20, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

El Matadero
Not only did they bring back the riot guard and teller, I recognized one of the women eating as Nick and Troy had lunch: extras should be recurring. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:36, October 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought this episode was okay, Ofelia's death was sad but reminded me too much of Maggie and Beth so I was more annoyed than sad. Wish Ofelia was around a bit longer but if she's being replaced by Diana, I guess that's okay because Diana seems cool. Wonder how they're gonna make the finale 2 hours long with the Proctors attacking the dam. I see Strand being the villain now - he's causing all this. I wouldn't be surprised if Strand kills Daniel next episode. IDK, I'm not sure what to expect lol. I just don't care for the dam that much so I hope they button up that storyline quick! I did hear about the crossover... hope it's Morales coming into FTWD lol. Who knows! I am working on some photos now, I recognized that vendor right away too lol. Also, this prostitute and this proctor were seen as Strand was sneaking around. I'm really liking the teller, she's so sassy lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:29, October 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: I uploaded 15 pics from 3x14 and probably the only pics I'm going to upload. Feel free to get the blurry/obscure ones, heh. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:19, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice job!!! Guess it doesn't hurt to check IMDB every now and then. "Child of Barbara" LOL --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:24, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD Finale
Got pics of the 5 Mexicali bandits + the bazar folks (only did 16 photos). I think that girl from Tijuana may be different than the one at the bazaar - 3x09 and 3x15. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:25, October 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * 3x14 = 3x15
 * 3x14 = 3x15
 * 3x14 = 3x15
 * 3x10 = 3x15

Mercy
Hey, what did you think? Overall, I thought it was okay. All of the flash forwards etc were a distraction to me. And some things didn't make sense... like why didn't they just kill Negan as soon as he came outside? And why waste HUNDREDS of bullets on the Sanctuary windows? Yeah you're trying to attract the incoming herd but still. And even MORE bullets at that car at the satellite station. Speaking of the satellite station - it'll cool to see the survivors back at this place. As for our beloved characters, glad no one died yet... that'll change soon. They brought a LOT of the minor cast in for this episode which was great. Happy to see that Oscar got a name this episode (sort of like Barbara from Season 5). I found out Lee Vervoort was one of the motorcycle Saviors so he's among those killed in the explosion. I need to re-watch to see if I recognize anyone else. IMDB helped identify some extras that appeared in 8x01, including two recurring Hilltoppers. I recognized the woodworker and a few others + some Kingdommers. As for the white-banded Alexandrians, I didn't see anyone yet. I did see Deborah and Bob Miller and maybe Clutch Brady in the dream sequence though! I will be working on photos tonight and the next few days - waiting for more promo pics to be released. I will get everyone I can. Thankfully they have arm bands to help identify what settlement they're from (I LOL'ed at Andy's line to Dianne). As for the dead Saviors, I moved Cam, Wade, and a few one-timers from 6x16 to dead as those killed in the car/motorcycle explosion, FYI. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:21, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

I am in the process of adding extra pics - Saviors and Alexandria (couple of newbies) done. I do have a number of extras who I can't tell where they belong yet. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I finished all pics with the exception of 4 people - I can't determine if they are Alexandrians or Hilltop. I think I got most if not all the Kingdommers but tomorrow will give us a better look at them. Yeah I was happy to see Dani - I been checking Facebooks for info. That's how I found out about Dani, plus Jason Lyell who barely appeared. If there is some grenade attack then I will move them to S8 casualties. I just don't feel like waiting for it right now lol. BTW I believe I found out who's returning tomorrow. Gonna get some confirmed fates it appears. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:58, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Dani
Do you think this is her? She did appear in the church scene File:Extra4 (Service).png --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:40, October 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'll reach out to her and see what she says. I'm going to be taking screencaps tonight, focusing on Alexandria first. I saw 2-3 bodies. RIP Francine, Freddie, and Wesley. And Mara, Nelson, Little Roy, J-Top, and many Saviors =P I believe Simon's group of Saviors from Go Getters was at the satellite station. Extra Aaron Brewster confirmed dead and I recognize a couple from the promo pics on the The Damned gallery page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:36, October 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Dani confirmed it wasn't her, she was sitting behind Francine in the church. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:03, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

Mercy
There are a TON of pictures to go through. Sheesh. But at least I screencapped it all. I am uploading the Alexandrians, I have 20 total. Lots of newbies, but saw Rog, Jason, Jennifer, Elizabeth, and Rachel. Waiting for promo pics and an extra hinted next week we'll get better photos/confirmation who died, speaking off I counted 5 Alexandrian deaths (Francine, man shot in pick-up truck, blonde woman (who I thought was Jennifer), the man in plaid shot right before the blonde, and African American man in blue seen dead). Will upload the rest of the newbies soon, could will do my best to update the background page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:51, October 31, 2017 (UTC)

The Damned
Hey, I think I remember you telling me you're busy with school now or don't really watch TWD (or was that Bailey?) anyway let me know if you think you'll be on a hiatus - I don't wana keep bothering you lol. I finished the majority of everyone in 8x02, with the exception of the outpost Saviors the Alexandrians are fighting - waiting for 8x03 to see who is alive after the battle ends. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:22, November 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Heh, okay. We'll see who survives the firefight in 8x03. I wonder if Rog will make it out alive since he went inside the outpost. As soon as one of these recurring extras die, they should get a page. Been tricky updating my survivors page with all these unseen kills. But several recurring Saviors got deaths. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:23, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Sherry (Alexandria)
You may be on to something there... who identified Sherry in the first place? Was it Dani? Maybe she would know.. Yeah poor Anne she is def gone and could be Lucy! BTW I removed the pic from #44 bc I think that's Elizabeth (the shorter one is Francheska from Hilltop). And then File:Alexandrian18 (First Day).png I think is different than the green guy - could be one of the newbies from 8x02. Thoughts? And the 8x02 image I have under Clutch Brady may be different (I don't have a photo yet but he's seen injured in 8x02). So many obscure newbies lately, hoping for better shots tonight and determine who is alive. I counted 8 Alexandrians dead in 8x02 + Francine (two of them are unidentifiable). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:27, November 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it's possible, but let's see if we come across any other brunette women. Haven't seen any yet - all men appeared as the militia in 8x02 besides the blonde woman who was shot. As for the black guy, I'll move it around after tonight. I'll pretend the unidentifiable church woman is someone we haven't seen yet lol. I think Eric will die tonight too, he's textbook redshirt lol and his death will develop Aaron's character. I knew Tonia mostly portrays walkers so I'll move her to dead as a casualty of 8x02 or whenever the bombings are, along with the others you mentioned (the boy, missing church people). I'm really liking Season 8 so far. They're doing good with recurring Saviors... at least two got deaths last week and I saw several recurring Saviors as part of the captured group, including Ryan Cox from Season 6! All the unseen/unidentifiable Savior deaths have allowed me to move so many one-timers from 6x16/7x01 to dead, which is great. Soooo many Saviors... have to be around 300-400 people. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:49, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Monsters
Another great episode!! Really enjoyed it though I was surprised at the short-lived Morales reunion.. Well it was cool to see him and get an idea how he came to be a Savior + confirmed fate for his family. So everyone at the courtyard outpost is dead, including Huck and Todd. As for the captured Saviors, they suffered a few fatalities - I counted at least 3 (two by zombies, one by Morgan). BAD idea bringing them to the Hilltop... someone is gonna get killed. I think Aaron will raise Gracie after the war ends... a reason to live after losing Eric? Jennifer is confirmed to have survived the gunfight + a few others. Hard to tell who is who, but I think the woman who closed the door to the pick-up truck is Elizabeth? Maybe not. Also, I think Rog and the two other Alexandrians were killed...I saw them get shot at as the Saviors went back inside... RIP Rog!! As for the Kingdommers... man, what a slaughter. I bet Alvaro and Daniel are dead.. Francine & Eric of Alexandria died, Freddie & Andy of Hilltop died, so makes sense if they're dead too. Gonna need to re-watch this episode as so much happened yet again! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:23, November 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yo! Jason Lyell confirmed dead - check his FB (AV left a funny comment). That's two recurring extras in one episode!! I created a page for Rog and Jason should get one as well. Maybe he'll finally agree to speak on FB (name/backstory, trivia, set experience). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:55, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS - Clutch Brady was killed off in 8x02 - I was able to get confirmation and matched his wardrobe. Working on pics now. Tricky just like last week. I added a few of the credited characters + the three Saviors killed from the satellite group. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:05, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, maybe it’s just a new extra. It’s not Rachel. I wonder how many newbies they brought on the show. I’m going on vacation tomorrow and will miss 8x04 and read one spoiler regarding the Kingdom. Matches what I expected. Hope it’s a good one. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:52, November 12, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Chat
I'm on it now (on my phone - hope it works) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:29, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Alexandrians
I’m coming home from my trip, gonna watch 8x04 tonight. Saw your edits, nice work. Didn’t know one of them died. Were you able to contact them? —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:59, November 15, 2017 (UTC)

BTW, found a ton of Kingdom extras on FB through Lewis Johnson III's page. Maybe some would share some stuff. Also, I noticed extra Aurora's cover photo on FB is of the Kingdom, indicating she was in Season 7. Not sure where exactly, though. Anyway, RIP Daniel, Alvaro, and all those Kingdommers. Talking Dead made it sound like half the Kingdomw as killed off, lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:11, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Nice job with the identifications, helping me remove duplicates from my survivor page lol. Also, finished all the Kingdom pics. Bunch of them are recurring and the “newbies” could have been there since Season 7 but we just didn’t see them, like Aurora the mother. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:32, November 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem and you should note on the page which of these people obscurely appeared in The Well. I was happy to find the Pig Tender came back (only to die lol). I will look again and see if I can find those last two people, I noticed a lot of children appeared in the background in the beginning but may be too small to get. And yes I will get that woman lol + I have to get the man who helped Scott cover Jason Lyell’s body. Looking forward to seeing the Sanctuary tonight! Hope lot of the minor cast appears tonight like Amber, Mark, etc. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:47, November 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks for the heads up! Scavengers and Hilltoppers fixed. You got confirmation she is dead? I'm getting the two Alexandrians from Monsters now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:14, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

The Big Scary U
I thought this episode was okay. Definitely my least favorite. Dragged out the Daryl/Rick scenes and the Negan/Gabe scenes too much. The Savior lieutenants bickering was the best part. Did you see how scared Simon was of Negan? I kind of like Regina. Too bad Arat didn’t get any lines. Also, was that Scavenger #4 we saw at the end? Also, saw several recurring workers. Welcome Potter, Brooke, and Josè! More characters named after their actors...! —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:47, November 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * Brooke is sassy, hope she lives lol can move in with Barbara at Alexandria! Anyway, ugh dead Scavengers coming back to life like Dani? We saw Lucy dead buttttt they could have just been injured or unconscious. SMH. At least your favorite garbage people are back! —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:15, November 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Lmfao 57 died? Well okay. Maybe more are around and just not on screen? —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:04, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

I uploaded all the workers to the background page. Feel free to go through and fix any duplicates/errors. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:04, November 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just finished updating my survivors page. I'll be uploading the last of the Kingdom in a few, don't worry. I think we'll see some workers after the time skip, at least I hope the showrunners are smart enough to pay attention to that, but then again the continuity has been great so far. I will move all those unseen Scavengers to dead, no doubt, once 8x06 airs and we any we don't spot, will move to dead. There was a LOT of gunfire happening in 7x16, even as Negan was taunting Rick and Carl. And at least Frankie got a mention, so we'll see them again I'm sure. I wonder if they'd choose to back the Saviors out of fear or join the other side. And yes!! Long live Brooke!!! PS I thought I saw Barbara on watch duty in the Michonne/Rosita sneak peek, but could be some random lady. Ghost Stacy? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:01, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Haha, the character is probably like "screw this, I don't know all these other residents, there's too many" and the actress is probably like "screw this, there's way too many newbies on set this year" --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 12:08, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

Identifications
Great job on the ID's and Hilltop mergings :) Great stuff. PS. I saw Bailey's edit and also saw Susan Boone and Michelle Rich on FB refer to themselves as the goat and chicken ladies, something like that lol. And identified the old Asian lady. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:51, November 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I hope she does the interview! Would be cool to hear from her. Wonder if Melissa Eastwood would do one too. Or anyone :) But looking forward to Aurora's. As for the updates, I never mind! They're helpful, I just added the Kingdommers I was missing. For the Scavengers, I'm gonna save that list and after 8x06 airs, will reorganize the Scavengers from both seasons. And any not seen, I will move to dead. Phew. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

PS - Don't ask how I stumbled upon this, but found this message from 8 hours ago on that (dead) interviews wiki. Thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 06:11, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

TK, TW, Rick
Well, some great shots of the Scavengers tonight. Will you help create a list of the Scavengers who are alive in Season 8? Would like to determine which extra is back and who is not. I really liked this episode tonight, def among my top favorites for the season. Gregory thrown in jail was great, though I felt bad lol. And I really thought Zia was gonna escape with the truck but BOOM that was great. Spotted several recurring Alexandrians (plaid man with Scott) and Hilltoppers (the blonde boy? Liam?) tonight. Gracie joined the Hilltop and RIP Leo & Zia (I liked Zia). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:07, November 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * Aweome, thanks for the list :) I’m gonna edit my page later tonight and just move everyone not seen in 8x06 to dead (besides those who fled in 7x16). To the hell with them lol, I saw a lot recurring last night including “zombie” Lucy. Buffy too. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:45, November 27, 2017 (UTC)list and now trying to pull pics and sort them. But I think we used some different pics for several extras, so feel free to go through the blue section and remove and duplicates that are already listed under "alive". I'm about to sort some of the dead. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:21, November 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * NBF Extra24.png is listed as dead on the background page but alive in your list, FYI. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:28, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

Heads up that Caleb and Jennifer were wearing green arm bands when they gave Carol the letters - they’re messengers from Hilltop. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:18, November 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Phew, what an update. Trying to figure out the gallery on my talk page before implementing it. I've copied everyone from my Season 7
 * Nice! Let me know how it goes. And I thought I recognized a new female Scavenger.. older woman. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:04, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

I thought so, lol. I just finished uploading Alexandria and Kingdom pics. Got 25 Hilltop (majority are recurring) to upload later. Need to finish screencapping the Saviors. Are you doing the Scavengers? Heh. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:56, November 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, if I can get around to it, I'll help. Did your Scavenger friend look at the list? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:01, November 30, 2017 (UTC)

Nice job with the Scavenger pics. I see you're still working on them. Also, did you see that guy's edit on the Kingdom page? Roy said he is still alive so IDK about the other two guys if they're dead or not. The shaved head guy could be dead but not sure. I finished the majority of the Hilltop pics, only a couple to add when I get home from work. Check it out. Also, I think #28 and #61 are the same. Same hair style. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:59, November 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I reverted those edits - see my reply to him at User talk:7839paul. I will merge those two Hilltoppers as well. I have no idea what will happen to these Scavengers - I am excited to see what happens to them. Threats and dreams, dreams and threats. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:35, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Scavengers
Nice work!! I'm gonna leave the Scavenger list untouched until after tomorrow so we can see who appears etc. Looks like we gonna have a lot dead from 7x16. I finished Hilltop, just have to do Saviors but that's easy. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:01, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

PS - I just finished up some identifications. Stacey Crowder is a really useful resource on his FB - he always upload pics and tags his buddies. Identified a few more Saviors + a new Hilltopper. Anyway, I will upload the 26 Savior pics I have today or tomorrow - in no rush. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:07, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Dinesh
Wow!! You got Dinesh! Don’t forget to make him a page ;) And the other guy! Way to go!! —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:52, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

I have so many survivor updates to make when I get home but nice job finding Laura Kelly. Also Mary Ann is still around? The Baby Savior is being really helpful too FYI, gotta check his eeits later tonight. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:19, December 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Have we gotten any more info on those two? Btw Bayland apparently portrayed as a Wolf too according to his website. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:50, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Bayland
Ohh okay that makes sense then. Okay why not, go ahead. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:36, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Time for After
Neat episode, wasn't bad. Nice to see Mark and Frankie again. I was reallllly worried Dwight was going to get killed or Eugene would rat him out. The ending was great! Way to go Rick for overpowering those guys and Jadis - the new guy got killed I think - in the overhead shot, they show two bodies, one being the zombie and the other being that newbie - maybe he was knocked out instead? Also, I think there are 4 snipers total, including Morgan. We know one got killed - can't tell from which community, maybe Alexandria? Gotta rewatch to see which armband. Hopefully next week explains what happened at the Sanctuary and the snipers. I may move 3 members of the militia to dead if it turns out the other snipers died. Just a thought. Also, can't tell who of the Saviors died when they broke in - think I saw one guy get killed. May move randos from Season 6 to dead because some people definitely died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:11, December 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness for the recurring ones ;) I'm trying to tell of Rick killed one, or knocked them both out during the fight scene. I'm going to wait until after the MSF before moving all the ones in the blue group to dead. As for the Saviors, I've already started moving some to dead and others to unknown - basically to verify if they're gonna be declared dead or not. But I'm leaving the extras as alive for now - will move it up after next week during the battle! I think all sides will lose more people + a major character. The war needs to pick up now that the Saviors are on the offensive. I know Alexandria is definitely getting attacked, I wonder if Hilltop will get captured too and a lot of newbies die? We'll see! Hope Karl survives! I set up his page already. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:04, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

Sneak peek for 8x08 shows Karl Funk in a car with Maggie and Jesus and he has a line! I wonder if they’ll credit him as Earl.. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:20, December 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I think Andy Rusk has darker color hair but I can see the simularity. For the others, don't rush yet, you've done good with Dinesh and Adrian this late into the game, you'll find solid confirmation for the others later. BTW, who do you think that dead Alexandrian sniper was? I'm choosing this guy, plus two random Hilltoppers (Troy and Stephanie?) as the other snipers (there's 3 + Morgan and one is female), the other two will be put as dead if they aren't heard from again (they didn't answer their walkies). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:24, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

BTW, AMC summary says “Rick slays several Scavengers” - if we don’t see those two guys again then I guess we can move to dead. Also, AMC summary mentions there are four snipers + Morgan, with the West sniper as the one found dead. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:51, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

I think Scavenger #92 is incorrect. Also, you got confirmation on those Hilltoppers not returning? —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:40, December 6, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Hilltopper
It’s hard for me to tell, I think the TSO guy is older and has different hair, the other one seems to be younger and has more hair. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:12, December 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - removed her from the list on my talk page as well as my Season 7 list. Did you add her twice by mistake or did you mistype the file name for someone else? Anyway, removing her and adding the other guy adds up to 68! Not 67. Btw, nice job with the Kingdom ID's. Any interviews or questions answered by those deceased Kingdommers? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:28, December 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Is File:Scavenger2 (Time).png a newbie, someone else, or File:Scavenger26 (First Day).png? Without him, still at 68. And then he (listed dead in s7) looks like him (listed alive in s8). Btw, I'm removing the list on my talk page, adding the alive ones to Season 8. But if you find any duplicates, you can let me know or edit the list themselves, lol. Special, limited time only permission ;) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:35, December 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Heh, no problem. And nevermind, I think the two bearded guys are different. I'm gonna edit my list to remove the black guy though. I think he got shot but could have been injured and escaped. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:00, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Saviors
--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:53, December 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * This FB post indicates Ruben Vidal was in 8x07 - not sure if he was one of those on the stairs with Regina (there is a good promo pic that shows her with a few other Saviors) or one of those killed. The guy's nephew was also in it? Can't tell who they are in the episode.
 * Ken Whitman, as of October 2017, has only appeared in 3 episodes. 6x16, 7x01 and 7x16. May make him dead by end of Season 8.

PS I also updated the Scavenger section for my S7 list, putting all the blue ones in the dead section. Over 130 Scavengers? Really? SMH, way too many, lol. But makes sense why Rick keeps wanting to link up with them. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:59, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

Scavenger Pictures
Starting a new thread - I am going to upload some Scavenger pics, some you already did, some I think you may have missed (or I didn't see your version, let me know so I can delete/merge). All done with 8x06! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:07, December 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I'm all done. Found some promo images to crop. Two questions, is she new? Haven't seen her on the Scavenger lists. And then this guy - has he appeared before? He isn't on the S7/8 lists either. And I am so excited for tomorrow, some action going down at Alexandria! I hope we see everyone again - Bruce is appearing with Scott and Tobin, and I saw some other extras in the sneak peek + a promo image, so they should be around, esp our core extras. There's gonna be several deaths for sure I bet. I think Carl gets the axe. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:52, December 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, thanks for the help - finally finished both Scavenger lists. I will add that girl, picture isn't bad and if she died, then fine with me! Lol. I have hopes for Anna - she did appear last season so hopefully she'll appear again. Just need the right opportunity, she's a civilian character, like Barbara, Bob, Deborah, etc., so she wouldn't appear in the militia/battle scenes as a fighter like Elizabeth, Rog, Jennifer, Rachel, Jason, etc. And yeah, if there's an attack that kills people and looks destructive, I will move the missing to dead, including the Season 5 boy. The Season 6 people are already dead, and I've already begun pulling casualties from the Season 7 church people, will move to dead any militia members who haven't appeared since Mercy. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:23, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD Extras
Hey, found some ID's on the The Walking Dead Kids Facebook page, got some rancher and Native extras' names, added them to the background page already. One of the ranchers is the mother of a Native girl IRL - maybe she can help get some ID's. Perhaps she'll interview or answer some questions! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:15, December 10, 2017 (UTC)

RE:How It's Gotta Be
What a great episode! I enjoyed it, though I was expecting more death and carnage, there were some deaths, but not enough lol. I knew Carl was going to die, with the actor getting older and all. But Neil's death was so sad! Poor guy survived so long but at least he got two lines! In the scene with a shell-shocked Michonne walks through Alexandria, a Savior tells her many/all the people are dead, and there were bodies visible on the ground in the beginning of the scene (I don't think they're Saviors or zombies). Plus some people could have died in the houses, so I will move those not filming anymore to dead. As for Kent, Anna, and Jake, I will move them to dead at the end of Season 8 if they do not show up, as casualties. But does this mean Alexandria is done for now? Moving into the Hilltop? Talking Dead marked Alexandria as dead. Hilltop is safe and no one died at Kingdom it seems - Gavin really didn't want to kill anyone. Nabila - way to go! She kicked ass tonight just by being tough - I really thought she was gonna die, but guess she and all the remaining Kingdommers escaped. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:43, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

FYI - I moved several Saviors and workers to dead - see the talk page for my survivors page for details. I'm waiting for all of the promo images to be released but it seems there were a lot of new Savior extras - haven't seen any of the recurring ones yet. Also, a new Alexandria child? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:19, December 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries and damn, 210 people at Hilltop? LOL. How are they gonna handle that? They def used new extras, not sure why. But just goes to show how many people the Saviors have. And yeah that girl - but I think it may be a short woman lol possibly Rachel Collins. I’m re-watching the episode now. PS I wonder if Dani Lyaman was in last nights episode? —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:12, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * I hope it's not a newbie lol. Maybe even that girl from 8x03 who helps load the injured into the truck. Any you mean to the background survivors page? That's not a bad idea actually. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:35, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just saw your edit. I think it's cool - let's try it out for the entire page and see if we are satisfied, but it would be another cool, visual way for readers to distinguish who is alive, unknown, and dead. PS - Jenny was in 8x08 :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:44, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * I finished taking acreencaps, just waiting for the promo images. BTW, one of the extras commented that yeah there are many new faces, probably meant to be killed off lol but wonders if many of the recognizable ones are being saved for something else. If that’s the case, I bet it’s for the time skip and peace among communities. Or it could be something different and unrelated. Who knows. I did see Jimmy McAfee, the only recurring Savior with Negan. —Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:06, December 12, 2017 (UTC)