User talk:JackDelMars



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First Message
We're really happy to have you here, and look forward to working with you!

CamTheWoot (talk) 19:43, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Question
Hey to answer your question that is his own page not anyone else's so his opinion is Natalie is dead. --Bailey16 (talk) 00:20, July 25, 2016 (UTC).

RE:Survivors Page
Hi Jack. While Natalie Miller has not been officially declared deceased, I've found enough evidence to support that she is. Helen Jackson (the extra who portrays her) is part of the recurring background cast for Alexandria, appearing consistently throughout Season 5 with the other extras and having been brought back in Season 6 with the same group of extras (as well as new ones). She appeared in 6x01 (her only Season 6 appearance). In 6x02, many people are killed, including several established extras such as Mikey Leo (Season 6 newbie) and Stacy Payne (Season 5 veteran). The blonde extra painting the names on the memorial wall in 6x05 revealed on Facebook that some of the names painted were to reflect the extras chosen to die in 6x02, such as Mikey/Michael and Stacy. One of the other names is Helen (Helen Jackson who plays Natalie Miller). Her character name was only mentioned once through dialogue and was probably never meant to establish Helen's character as an actual character in the show, so her character name was most likely forgotten by producers/crew/extras and hence why the (new) blonde extra wrote Helen's actual name instead of her character name. Additionally, Helen Jackson has not appeared on the show since 6x02, while her husband (Curtis Jackson who plays Bob Miller) and other Season 5 veterans/Season 6 newbies have consistently appeared on the show because they are still alive. Check out Background Survivors (TV Series)/Alexandria Safe-Zone to see the other people who make up Alexandria's background cast. Hope this explains why I've decided to mark Natalie Miller as dead (we haven't seen her again and probably never will). If she doesn't appear in Season 7, her character page may be changed to dead because of these reasons. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:00, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivors Page
Hey Jack, which characters are you talking about (what episode) and which season/tv series? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:15, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Angelica Suraez
Hey, nice job getting that picture! I tried doing the same but found it too difficult to get good quality photos, and that one of Angelica seems like one of her when she was younger, but still better than nothing! I suppose you could make a page for her if you'd like :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Angela (Webisodes)
Hmm, I think they were talking about Angelo, not Angela. But I'll see if I can rewatch it too and find out. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:26, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Hallucinated Walkers
Hey Jack! Thanks for getting these screengrabs :) There's been SO many Kingdom people to take pics of. And I'm not even getting everyone! Many people are too small/blurry but I got like 50 extras to upload haha. Already got the Saviors and named characters! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivor #12
Hey Jack, when it comes to children in the show, its a little bit tricky (like with Woodbury). We've only seen a couple kids in Alexandria, most of them one-time appearances. Because of this, I am hesitant with making them dead. Same goes for Mikey. It's a tough call. I've assigned the names of the dead to other survivors (check out to see who I am talking about). I am waiting for another attack that will kill a bunch of people and then if they don't specify who exactly died, I'll probably move the kids to dead, at least the Season 5 boy. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:10, November 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if they didn't specify who exactly died I would have labeled him and anyone else who was MIA for a long time as "dead". As for Anne, I know how you feel! At walkingdeadforums.com there is a thread that tracks Alexandria extra sightings in each episode and others were asking about her, the blonde guy, and the black guy. I'm sure the three of them (the only ones of the recurring extras who were not seen) are there at the church scene on the left side. We mostly saw the right side of the church that contained Tobin, Anna, Eric, Barbara, Kent, Bob Miller etc. Didn't see much of the left side except for Bruce, Francine, a couple new extras but we did see the older woman, the blonde woman, and the tall girl so I'm sure the other veterans are still around, just out of view. Hopefully we see some more of them next week. I think they added so many new extras because they will be redshirts soon ;) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:31, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Brialynn Massie
Hey Jack, yeah I would say that looks like her. Similar hairline, nose bridge, lips, brows, and chin too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:52, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Swear
I really liked "Swear" and Tara (dunno why so many people hate her). She has such a funny and upbeat attitude, which is a good contrast to all the other characters who are usually stern/dark etc. She is kind of like Jesus - a happy/comical character lol. I really liked Oceanside, it was cool seeing the settlement and all the people living there. I am sure we will be seeing them again (otherwise why introduce them and show that weapons locker?). I did some detective work and found out one of the extras who is listed on IMDB for this episode also appears in 7x15, so we will probably see the people of Oceanside again towards the end of the season. That sounds about right to me since I'm guessing the end of the season will start to prep for All Out War in Season 8. I did the best I could getting screencaps of the women and children at Oceanside without the images being too small or blurry, so I wasn't able to get everyone. But I counted at least 40 people at Oceanside (including the credited cast). Images are on my survivors page. Someone from walkingdeadforums.com got in contact with Laundry Woman #1 on Facebook so hopefully we will get an interview from her (this guy is really good at contacting and getting interviews so I let him do his own thing) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:23, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Grace Phillips
Dude, fantastic job with these interviews! Let me know every time you conduct one, I love it. Because of you, we found out her name! Nice job. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Profile image proposals
Hi, Jack. I noticed you removed some of the newer images I uploaded unto certain character's articles. I was just wondering why you removed them? Am I supposed to get approval from the mods or something? I looked at the policies and found nothing. So I assumed it was safe to change the images as long as they were higher quality and showed demeanor. JuniperAlien ( talk ) 23:40, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrian
Nah, that is actually a Savior extra name Angela Gay. She is on the background cast page. She is seen with a gun in this episode and has appeared in previous episodes including 7x07 and 7x04. Also, nice job with uploading the rest of the Oceanside people. It was hard to get everyone. I will add some to my page :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:48, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Anissa Matlock...
Nice job with those interviews! Anissa didn't respond with the greatest answers but Gustavo's was good! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:39, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Survivor #17
Nah, it's not her. I know who the actress but I vowed to keep that a secret as per her wishes. And I'll leave it as that. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:59, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Natalie
Wow! That's really cool! So the actress finally gave in to an interview and talked about her character? I look forward to reading it. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:36, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Deanna Dixon Interview
Awesome job :) check out Courtland Fuller on FB - he's one of the Wolves killing someone in JSS. Maybe he'll do an interview/knows his victim. Also, have you ever spoken with Becky Nunnally? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, January 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Shame about Becky but that's okay. All we know about her is that she appeared in 7x08 and 7x10, probably one of those extras specifically brought on for the battle/bus scenes. Through others, we learned that she took Denny Ainsworth death scene in 7x10 and that her character was "friends" with the Hispanic survivor aka Gustavo Blade. I'm on Chat now but I'll be in and out of it tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:33, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Interviews
You did a great job with all three! I thoroughly enjoyed reading them. Be sure to link them on their actors page under "External Links" if you'd like! It was nice to finally hear from Erin Hunter and learn about Courtland Fuller! I haven't seem him past 6x16/7x01 but who knows! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 05:00, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Chat
I'm on chat but you're probably long gone lol. I will try again tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:59, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Recommendations
Hey Jack, I checked out the list and am looking forward to seeing the interviews that need to be published. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone worth contacting. Maybe Will Martin the sick teenager? He was very friendly.

Also, keep in mind when uploading extra pictures, if they are too small or blurry or its just their back, it may not be worth uploading since we will never get to identify them, especially in a large background cast. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:43, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

GPK
Wow that's so many lol. Ugh. Too many people, I thought there was enough in the Kingdom (maybe around 100) plus the 40+ each in Alexandria and Hilltop and Oceanside. Thanks for getting the pictures of the extras. I'm assuming its from the 7x10 preview? Right off the bat, I can see you have a several duplicates (both in terms of pictures and then what you posted on your page). Too bad they all look so similar in terms of hairstyle and clothing, makes it hard spotting them again in future scenes/episodes. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:37, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I haven't attempted to get pictures of this group from 7x09. I'll do that tomorrow or something. I'm gonna go through the pics on my page and remove the ones where most of their face is blocked up. In terms of duplicates, 2 & 15 are the same. 11 & 14. 8 & 21. I think 23 & 32. 20 is the same as the promo image already on our pages. That's what I got for now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:47, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Nice job, thanks. I went through the 7x10 batch and kept the ones I wanted for my page. I also have one more batch to upload for 7x09 (I know you uploaded these but I only uploaded a few of mine own - the ones I didn't get will appear in 7x10 I'm sure as it seems to be a continuation of filming from 7x09. I also have a BTS photo of the GPK so I will see if I can get some crops out of that. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:32, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think 51 and 74 are duplicates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:30, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Claire
That's awesome! I look forward to reading about her backstory in the interview! Sounds like she gave a good one. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:37, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

So, where's that interview? Lol --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers
Hi there, I am updating my survivors page with the promotional photos of the Scavengers from 7x10 (I haven't taken pics of them from the episode itself - doing that another time, they are low on my priority list). Seeing as we don't have a background page for the Scavengers yet, I thought I would list the photos here that are of the same person in 7x09 & 7x10. PS I deleted "NBF Extra61.png" and "NBF Extra63.png" because they are Aaron and Tamiel, respectively lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:33, February 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * NBF Extra44.png = Scavenger13 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra69.png = Scavenger11 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra17.png = Scavenger10 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra3.png = Scavenger1 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra1.png = Scavenger8 (New Best Friends).png
 * NBF Extra57.png = Scavenger9 (New Best Friends).png
 * 57 and 64 are the same
 * GPK15 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger6 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK26 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger4 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK4 (Rock in the Road).png = Scavenger7 (New Best Friends).png
 * GPK6 (Rock in the Road).png = NBF Extra18.png


 * Not sure where you see Hunter as a duplicate on my page. That image you linked is not Hunter (though it was Hunter in it). I liked tonight's episode. It was nice getting a better look at the Sanctuary, especially with the workers. Spotted a bunch of recurring workers such as the bread lady and the long-haired redhead (son of the red haired man killed in 7x03). Also, that death shocked me! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:27, February 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: Hey, I counted all of the Scavengers when they circle up and Jadis talks for the first time. I think there are 101 people, including Jadis. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:13, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Saviors 7x11
Hello! I am in the process of uploading pics from 7x11. I have a ton of Saviors and workers to upload so don't upload anything until I'm done to ensure we don't have duplicates haha. I am uploading them in batches of 10-15 so it doesn't clog the news feed. Also, do you think this guy is the same as him? Same face and same shirt. Happy that I been finding people who appeared in 6x16 & 7x01. Lot of recurring workers too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:24, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Haha no worries, you are good. Just wanted to make sure we were both not spending all this time doing the same thing. I will check out the Scavengers sometime :) As for the extra you identified - too bad she doesn't care, I guess she's one of those people who view her job as just a job and nothing exciting/more. Lol. How about Negan's wives? The two shorter, uncredited ones - will they speak with you? I got good photos of them finally. Also, let me know if you've seen Savior15 (Hostiles and Calamities).png or Savior17 (Hostiles and Calamities).png before... I'm almost done with the Saviors. Then will do the workers later. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:17, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, hopefully they got something good for us. I'm just curious as to why they're both so short compared to the other 3 wives LOL. As for the two interviews you listed - that's awesome! Duke has been all over this show lol. Terminant, Wolf, Savior - wouldn't be surprised if we see him as a Scavenger or something! Also, I'm still waiting for the Claire interview! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:21, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS. Was looking up Pete Pitts and Josh Turner on FB because they usually talk about TWD a lot and was able to identify four workers as a result - all of them were also there for the Mark iron scene (even though I may not have pics of them but I can spot them now). One of them named his character "Vendor Dan" (after his real name) aka the guy who gave the pickles to Laura and Eugene. When I upload their pics tomorrow I'll add their names. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 07:20, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Amber's Suicidal category
Hi Jack, why Amber is in the Suicidal category? I mean, we know that the pills are for Negan, and not Amber. She doesn't want to kill herself. Marsopa Voladora (talk) 22:52, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I understant to what you mean, but in the same page, says  "It is later revealed that the pills Frankie and Tanya wanted weren't for Amber but were instead intended for Negan, figured out by Eugene as he refuses to give them the pills.". We know that she don't want to commit suicide, but yeah, she's really depressed. Thanks for reading!! Marsopa Voladora (talk) 23:01, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

'''Ok, you have a good argument. Problem solved. Thanks for reading!! Marsopa Voladora (talk) 23:09, March 3, 2017 (UTC)'''

RE:Duplicate
Hey, yes they are all the same women. NBF80 and 5 for sure. Thanks for pointing that out! I am going to finish cropping and uploading pics from 7x10 for the Scavengers. I was able to replace a lot of the ones previously uploaded so good progress on getting clear pics of people! I will need your input on two giant men later to see if they are the same. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:06, March 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * That's pretty good! Personally, I'm okay with less extras for large communities, makes it easier to track them and less chance of someone disappearing a la Woodbury. I'm on chat now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:51, March 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * I finished uploading all of the Scavengers. I have 98 people listed, including Jadis, Tamiel, Brion, and Winslow. Let me know if you find any duplicates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:42, March 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yup, I believe they are the same. Same shirt color, pale skin, black hair and same part in the hair. I'll check out the background survivors page now, didn't know I missed some. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:13, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: File:NBF Extra4.png and File:GPK11 (Rock in the Road).png are the same. (updated)
 * Update: File:NBF Extra34.png and File:NBF Extra108.png are the same. (updated)
 * Update: File:GPK1 (Rock in the Road).png and File:NBF Extra155.png are the same (the latter has been deleted since it is a 7x09 duplicate)
 * Do you think File:GPK8 (Rock in the Road).png and File:NBF Extra48.png are the same?


 * I think everyone appeared in 7x09 and 7x10 and even 7x11. I would assume they filmed all the junkyard scenes at the same time, while they had all the extras together? Who knows haha, it's so hard to find everyone, especially as there are so many and they're all moving in 7x09 and 7x10. But good luck! We may already have a pic of NBF Extra81.png, it seems like he has his hair pulled back. Not sure. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:03, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Jenny
Even though we only see the back of Jenny's head, I think it's this girl. Both are young looking and have similar hair color, compared to the other school kids of 7x02. UPDATE: Yup, it's her. Just checked 7x09 again, the hair is pulled back into the long skinny ponytail. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, March 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah! The Kingdom and Hilltop aren't as perfect as ASZ because its not featured as often but it's not bad! I identified two extras from IMDB, Carol Bruckner as the art teacher and Melissa Eastwood as the pig tender in the Kingdom. Maybe they will do interviews once the season ends? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:30, March 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding Claire, nice!! You and her did a great interview! She was good to talk to, and revealed good stuff. Thought her cough drop and skirt part was funny. Also good to know that she WAS in 3x08 and 3x09. I'm gonna see if I can spot her. Probably not. But still a great interview. I wish her the best! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:01, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I found Claire/Kristy Hoefler in the 3x08/09 arena scenes: File:Woodbury extra 33 (Made to Suffer).png. Same hair part, hair color, weight, chin shape. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:27, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice!! That is good enough confirmation for me ;) It's weird how her side of the arena was barely featured in the episode and not at all in the promo pics. I watched that scene several times. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:50, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

The Other Side
Hey there, I'm sure you've seen all the high res photos of the Hilltop people from 7x14. Some have appeared in other Season 7 episodes but most have not (?). Also identified a girl - Alyssa Riley Burrell according to IMDB (she is credited as Hilltop Girl but this may be incorrect). There is another one listed, Tevin Beech (uncredited as "Survivor") but I don't know which one that is. Also, I saw on one of the Saviors' Facebooks hinting something big is going down in 7x14 - he may be the one getting shot by Sasha or something. I won't be able to watch this episode but should be good! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:02, March 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * Heh, girl as in young woman/teenage girl lol File:Hilltop17 (The Other Side).png. I'm betting Tevin is not the guard only because I feel like the actor would have credited himself in the other episodes. Also, are you the one who identified Hilltop extra Cassidy? Also, there's several more Hilltoppers who are partially visible/too fuzzy in the promo pics: this guy, Eduardo, Wesley, and the blacksmith, among others. Gonna be a ton of bodies for the war. I wish we'll see Crystal or Craig again, we haven't seen them yet. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:53, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

Summer Kidder is seen hugging a woman believed to be her mother in 3x09. The 3x09 woman looks similar to the woman I added as "King County Mother". That same woman is seen hanging with Gina Ann Riggs in 3x05 - the two mothers IRL probably know each other since they & their kids appeared on the show as school kids in the flashback and again in Woodbury 3x05/09. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:20, March 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping that woman is actually Summer's mother. And yeah it's neat that they are re-using them. The Kidder kids are stand-ins so they're on set a lot and Gina Ann Riggs follows her son around on the show obviously so they get chances to be in the background if its appropriate (like the background of the Woodbury BBQ or the elementary school). They haven't been on the show since Season 4 when Sophia Kidder's character was killed off-screen. Now that the kids are older, maybe they'd like to interviews :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:27, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

RE:No Way Out
Wow!! Nice job! That is definitely the same guy from 6x09! Just checked his IMDB and he's credited for 3 episodes. I always thought he looked like Scott. I guess he was on set and got to be in the fight scene (and I consider his character as one of those casualties). He seems to have an active Facebook if you want to contact him :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:26, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

The Other Side
Hey! I am back on vacation and just watched 7x14. Good episode! Lots of recurring Hilltoppers! I missed the first few minutes of it though. I wonder if we will see Roy again. Any idea who the second Savior death was? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:19, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think Roy was killed, he's in tonight's episode apparently. The second Savior death may have been random. I'll download 7x14 tomorrow and see what pics I can get that may have been missed. That's awesome to hear about Jessica and David Marshall!! PS I think Survivor #22 is Jessica. And then #38 is definitely #1. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:47, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * No way! I think they're alike, #1 is def younger like 30s IMO haha. We'll wait and see. Glad to see her elderly friend was seen again, always good to see season 6 extras. But where's Craig and Crystal btw? As for Jessica - ah okay, didn't know that part. I missed the first few min but gonna check it out now. As for the Oceanside pics, I'll get them :) lots of face pics. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:22, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just saw #38 in 7x14 and its definitely a different girl, you're right. Are we expecting a lot of people to die in the finale? I didn't see any hints of a gun battle - should we expect one?! That would be cool! Then I would move the Kingdom choir to unknown if we see a Kingdom army because we did see Ezekiel and them. Same with Craig and Crystal if there's a Hilltop army in the battle. I saw lots of people at the Alexandria wall with guns (?) so that may indicate a battle as well. Death predictions: Sasha or Morgan, maybe Dwight, Gary, Wesley, Freddie, Kal, Tobin, Bruce, Francine, Alvaro, Daniel, maybe Dianne or Jerry. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:39, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was able to watch it slowly on YouTube - looks like Jadis and her crew arrive in Alexandria and some scenes of Rick running with guns but I wonder if that was when Saviors first announce they've arrived and they're scrambling. Who knows! Also, I'm trying to figure out that Savior that got killed after the Bike Park Savior. He looks like he has long-ish hair? Either way, I can assign that death as Gavin's Savior that did not appear in the two latter Kingdom episodes or this Season 6 guy. Also looks like Craig Alexander. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:44, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, gonna move the boy and Mikey to dead after the finale if there are confirmed casualties. Probably gonna be a lot of assumed and off screen deaths. Ps don't need to add the quote marks in the gallery tag, it's unnecessary and just adds useless characters for the page to load every time it's accessed. Also, uploading the rest of the Hilltop people. Then will look at Oceanside. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, March 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey - I'm on my way home from work and will get the Oceanside pics done! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:43, March 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeez, I got 76 pics but I'm done - and that's ONLY with the promo pics... and not counting Tara, Francine, Scott, Kathy, Natania, and Beatrice who all got new pics..! Going through pics now to determine any duplicates and will upload in batches. Will need help updating the background page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:15, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I am uploading the "good" duplicates, not the poor ones or low quality, so don't worry. First batch is out. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:31, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I have 51 left. I will group the duplicates together in their file name (ie. Extra7 and 7a) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay done with the first round. 9 extras uploaded in those 22 pictures. I have 44 left to go through. Gonna wait a bit so I don't clog up Recent Changes. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:48, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice job so far. And yeah there's a lot of blurry extras from "Swear" - just the way it is so we will have to use our best judgement. I uploaded some more, gonna add a couple more to round 2 - keep an eye out for more uploads in Recent Changes. I wonder if the extras are wearing the same clothes from "Swear"? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:22, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Oceanside Redshirts
Haha I fee ya, good call on a new thread! I just took some screenshots from the episode, cropping now. A lot of movements so it's hard to get quality photos but I'm trying lol. That would be super helpful to have them help out check for duplicates, etc, since we may be missing several, especially with all the "Swear" pictures! I'm sure you saw it already but I left messages on the talk pages of those two Oceansiders. Gonna need all the help we can get! But thank goodness for so many promo shots of Oceanside - makes life much easier. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:11, March 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * Bummer on Marisol, maybe another time. Or maybe Oceanside is involved next week (I'm not reading any spoilers for 7x16, so don't confirm or deny lol). They will definitely be back for Season 8 I'm sure, so she may just be staying mum. At least she updates her IMDB lol, I noticed she adds pictures of herself from TWD. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:22, March 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm confident we will. Even if it's just one more time, like a goodbye after they wish to live in peace, especially after Cyndie leads a group of women to help Alexandria at the last minute or something lol. And don't worry about it haha, I don't mind it at all, I enjoy getting messages from you. You're one of the few people here who enjoy redshirts/extras as much as I do along with Bailey, Myelle, Rick123Axel, Hallowseve, etc. Idk why, it all started in 2006 when I was watching LOST and eventually discovered wikia - they had such a detailed list of survivors including background cast and had the majority of them identified, tracked all their episode appearances etc. There was even an outrage after several long-time extras who were gunned down in Season 4 and 5 got pages but were deleted off the wiki simply because they didn't have a credit, even if they lasted longer than main characters! Lol. PS, finally finished uploading the promo pics. I have some screenshots I will add tomorrow. After that, feel free to see what I missed from the episode if you can get any good enough shots! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 05:09, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay! All Oceanside pics have been uploaded. After we merge/create entries for everyone, I say we move all the obscure/backside shots of Oceansiders from "Swear" to the bottom of the list, so the ones we have good pics or or face front are ahead of the backside ones (since they have the potential of being duplicates). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:03, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS, just watched the Making Of for 7x15 and the stunt coordinator confirmed there was at least 70 people at the woods scene between the Oceansiders and Alexandrians. While there's no exact number, it means there's approximately 60 or more people in Oceanside. Anyone who did not appear in that scene, we can assume they're just not visible in the crowd or ended up hiding in their houses =P --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 20:30, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's awesome! Good news and very helpful! What are your thoughts on File:Extra3 (Swear).png and File:Extra23 (Something They Need).png being the same? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:21, March 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought too. Just figured I'd check. Most people didn't appear on screen in "Swear" so it's nice to finally get good pics from 7x15 - though I think a lot were newbies too. Some people had minor wardrobe changes I noticed in "Swear", so I thought it was possible. As for Survivor #40, the first two are the same as you can see from hair and clothes. Maybe the 7x15 photo is a different girl? The shirt looks same, just no shawl? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:29, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Oceanside Extras
Hey, noticed some more extras on IMDB:
 * Kathi Binkley - has a FB
 * Renah Gallagher - has photos of her on her IMDB and Facebook - this seems to her due to same spotted gray shirt
 * Chatejah George - has a FB, photo of her in 7x15 on her Instagram, I believe this is her due to hair length and gray shirt
 * Catherine Jerald - has a FB

--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:53, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good :) I think I am all done. I'm ready for the finale! I've avoided all spoilers. Not even reading the "who dies section" on the walkingdeadforums.com because I'm sure someone will sneak in an actual death in their "prediction", lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:18, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * We'll see! I feel like All Out War will continue into the first half of Season 8 or something. Who knows. Not sure how it fully played out in the comics. Ps. identified another Savior. What a productive day on my day off from work lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:50, March 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Chat. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:08, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

I would say yes, that recent addition is the same woman from 7x06 - is that new image from 7x06 or 7x15 btw? Also, I still need to get the pic of survivor #6 from 7x15, I saw her running away. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:43, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, good find then. Do you recognize her as any of the "new" women who may be towards the bottom of page? Also, I'm speaking to one of the extras who is really nice and helping me locate Keely McCallister in 7x15 since she's hard to find. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:57, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Esther Pittman. Her family members are survivors for the Hilltop, Kingdom, and Saviors lol. She was also in 7x06 but was cut. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:45, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup! I posted them (husband and daughter) already on the Hilltop and Kingdom pages. Her daughter had a wardrobe change in 7x02, but she was there! Her family member/friend was one of Bud's Saviors - identified on Saviors page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:55, March 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did not get Caleb yet, was trying to find another photo of him that identifies him since he's obstructed in that promo pic. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:09, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Does your source have any idea who she is? If she was in 7x15? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:37, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Discovery?
It's possible, I can't tell but it's not the first time they reused very minor extras, like the nursing home people. Maybe one of the Oceanside extras would recognize her? Also any more potential duplicates? I found two yesterday including one that I thought was Ariticia Rose. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:14, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Two bad those two girls aren't the same person. Also, do you think #52 appeared in 7x06 as someone else, maybe one of the sentries? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:06, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, not bad! It's to be expected that some people would only appear once due to different filming dates but we can assume they are still "there" or elsewhere :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:31, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm checking out your recent edits... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:13, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * File:OceansideWoman1.png would be File:Extra34a (Something They Need).png, no?
 * I do not think #5 is correct. The second pic has a long sleeve shawl and lighter pants versus the short sleeve shirt and dark pants the 7x06 girl has.
 * I don't think #48 is right.
 * Yes, there should be 57 Oceansiders then but that would include Natania, Kathy, Beatrice, Cyndie, and Rachel. However, that number was an approximation - there are probably more extras than that. When organizing the background cast, I think they tried to get the extras to commit to both 7x06 and 7x15, and it seems the majority were able to do both, with the expectation that a few could not make the second episode, which may lead to several new extras hired as needed. We know that several people were in 7x06 but did not make it on screen (like Gail Everett-Smith and Esther Pittman, etc). I think we have a lot of people who were clearly seen for 7x15 (thankfully) who were probably in 7x06 but we can't tell because the photos (mostly from the scene where Tara leaves) are of their backside or they're blurry/far away. As for the Oceanside(26) and Extra42 - I think they look alike, even if the wardrobe isn't the same, she may have taken off that shirt for 7x15 or had a wardrobe swap. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:04, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ps, I found a few more duplicates this morning. Check out my edits. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 17:01, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that too, guess after losing all the men, they trained some of the teenagers. I mean look at Rachel, lol. Also I think I spotted two more extras to add. In the scene where Natania walks away defeated, you can see a shorter and older African American woman. And the other person is this taller blonde woman with a jacket. Hard to see, she's in the scene I described and also seen running in the woods when the bombs go off. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:16, April 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake, you are unbanned! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:49, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Unknown characters
Hey a majority of the characters you are making unknown arent needed. Arat, for example wouldnt have an off-screen death, same with Barbara, Anna, Kent etc. Also its been confirmed that only two unnamed Alexandria residents died. They werent just randomly killing poeple, they were tying them up. Mark, Gavin, Jared etc were not credited and therefore we should not assume they took part in the battle and besides like I said, their deaths wouldnt be off-screen. If you dont agree please see what an admin has to say about it. Myelle (talk) 02:47, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Hey man, sorry about that! You're good to go! ^_^

The Artist Formerly Known as Caulk (talk) 03:50, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Mikey
I'm reluctant to say that's Mikey. Pereonally I think the face is shaped a little different. Maybe we can get in touch with the actor and found out? I doubt they would bring in Elijah just to potray a corpse lol it's probably jusy a random extra. However, I do believe Mikey should be moved to dead now. It's been a long time and I doubt we'll ever see him again. Kinda already added that on his page. Mister T did say he was moving him to dead on his page, it should be official. It sucks they never brought him back. Myelle (talk) 21:35, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking that I was possibly Mikey when I was watching the episode last night. Survivor56 (talk) 21:52, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

7x16 Pictures
Hey, I am taking screenshots now and going to be uploading pictures soon. I will probably upload the pics of those confirmed killed. Could use your help updating the background pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:53, April 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, I'm still screenshotting! So far I have 8 confirmed deaths. Strangely, all are Scavengers, not one Savior yet (one of them may have been a Savior, I'll check later. Lot of recurring Hilltop extras including the blacksmith and woodworker. PS one of the Alexandrians tied up in the street looks like Rachel Collins. Also the old man from 7x04. The old black man held hostage next to Jennifer Davis looks like the same one from 7x04 too. But they definitely brought in a bunch of new of Alexandria extras. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:06, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm up to 12 identifiable people for dead, but there are a bunch of other people dead too. Hard to tell who they are because they are so far away. I will probably assign random Scavengers those deaths on my page if we can't figure out who they are. Almost done. Also nice find!! Contact him and see what he has to say!! Looks like him. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:35, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * People I can identify at the graveyard: Maggie, Tara, Jesus, Carl, Rick, Daryl, Carol, extras Jennifer/Jason/Elizabeth, Scott, Francine, Enid, Ezekiel, Aaron, Eric, Bertie, Tobin, Gabriel and extra Christopher Gaynor. Several Hilltop extras there too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:41, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, uploaded the 12 confirmed deaths. I recognize a bunch of them. I will add pics in batches. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:06, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Glad we got confirmation he was in the church scene. Also, Josh Turner is gonna check the background page and see if any Saviors died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:18, April 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just uploaded pictures of the Alexandrians. I will get the rest of the Saviors and Scavengers tomorrow along with Hilltop/Kingdom. The high res promo pictures should be out tomorrow too. PS, I changed Scavenger12 (First Day) to Savior1 (First Day) - I believe he was a Savior. Lot of newbies in this episode for deaths but at least we have some recurring Scavenger deaths. I guess they saving a lot of the deaths for next season then. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:26, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * You should reach out to your Alexandrian friend and see why so many newbies were brought in for 7x16 lol. And if anyone else died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:57, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, tomorrow. I saw a bunch fleeing in promo pics so I will get those and it can help tell us who got away. Either way, still gonna be a lot hard to identify. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:31, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was confused at that part.. not sure if that meant 80 crew members and 40 cast members? But I think among all the groups there are more than 40 people. Not sure, I'll look at that again. Also, finished Kindgom and Hilltop uploads for now. Check my edits. Doing Saviors now. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:00, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * All I have left are Scavengers. I got the high res photos uploaded - replaced several Scavenger/Savior photos and got new Hilltop photos. It appears 11 Hilltoppers + Enid, Bertie, Eduardo accompanied Maggie (15 total) and 4 Kingdomners + Dianne, Alvaro, Jerry, Daniel, Carol, Morgan accompanied Ezekiel (11 total). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:17, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did Laura Barg-Walkow confirm she died? Was she in any previous episodes? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:17, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I think she died too, after Shiva starts attacking. Hopefully she can help determine which extras died. I have 13 extra deaths so far but I know there are some at least half a dozen more deaths. I'm gonna assign random Scavengers if we can't determine who died based off of who is confirmed to be alive. I have two high res photos of Scavengers exiting the gate. Will upload tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:29, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's really good news because they look absolutely nothing alike to me, especially the hair. But thank you for getting confirmation. Ps, is this Lucy? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:37, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleted and awesome, will remove that duplicate from my page. I think I saw her atop the truck at the end shooting before fleeing. Any more Scavenger deaths identified? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:03, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed you removed NBF Extra159.png, why? Is that Laura? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:22, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * You should ask one of the Scavengers if Farron/Anja Akstin filmed previously. Also, another extra identified but can't tell which one. Sean Ganus. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:34, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, it's funny to read the comments as well as all the memes happening. If that FB page can get lots of likes, then he may be eligible for a page due to such a large fan base... I'd consider it. Lol. His friend Opensorce (one of the guys commenting I believe) is determined to get him a page. I shared your page for the Scavenger for now. It'll die down soon enough. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:20, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Go to chat btw. EDIT: I have to run out for a bit, be back 20 min, I'll leave myself on chat so see you in a few. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:23, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting, it's entirely possible. They were there for a second and disappeared for the rest of the scene. I don't count them as Alexandrians. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:49, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I uploaded some Scavengers, I added some to the background page but will leave the rest to you :) I have some more to upload (promo ones are up, only screenshots left) but not in any rush. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:49, April 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I expected there to be a lot of newbies. It can be interpreted that there are more people living in the massive junkyard community than we've met. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:24, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Mikey
How do we know Mikey's dead for sure? Yes, he's been gone for too long to believe he's alive, but in the comics, so is Barbara, and she's been gone for two or more years now.

CDandme (talk) 22:32, April 6, 2017 (UTC)CDandme

Scavengers
Hey the 7x16 pic for survivor #63 is actually survivor #25. Also, we don't need the extra comma after "later". For example, it should be: Arrives at Alexandria with other Scavengers, helps the Saviors shoot at the milita, later flees with surviving Scavengers.

Great job with the pages so far! Myelle (talk) 00:35, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate ?
NBF Extra 47 and 56 are the same? Thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:24, April 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * I saw that! Very awesome! Wonder if the people she tagged are other Oceanside extras? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:01, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Any update on that interview? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:21, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrians
Time for a new message section but that's awesome! Just found him on Facebook and his post is public so I can see Tonia's comment. Can't believe my survivors list is being shared by so many people! I did not see Clutch in the end - maybe he was killed off and his FB post is his excitement/surprise that I have him as alive? Lol, idk. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:06, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice, I'll keep a look out for them. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:47, April 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * To clarify, File:Alexandrian5 (First Day).png is Ryan Dorman? Weird that they did a wardrobe change. Also, I found out in the Making Of video for 7x16 that a Kingdom soldier died. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:13, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's weird but glad he told us. I will assign Ryan Dorman his own character instead of using him as Mikey. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Kent
Hey I'm 99.999% sure that the photo Mister T uploaded for Survivor #15 is actually Kent (David Marshall Silverman), not Rog. He resembles Kent in terms of body weight, face, and hair. I double checked and Kent is also wearing the SAME EXACT outfit he wore in 7x04 and 7x07 (brown pants and a blue collar shirt). Mister T told me to get proof that Kent filmed and I repsonded saying that it was listed on David Marshall Silverman's IMDb. So he did appear in 7x16 just wasn't credited (which IMDb makes note of). Mister T did not reply to me so I'm coming to you. If you're confident as well that it is Rog, please get confirmation that he filmed for 7x16 as I'm pretty sure it's Kent based on my facts. We have no proof Rog filmed, I believe, but do have proof Kent filmed. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks! Myelle (talk) 07:17, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did not see your response but IMDB isn't always reliable. It could be Kent I'm just surprised they didn't credit him. Maybe the Scavenger extra Eric that Jack is talking to can confirm whether or not Kent appeared. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 12:02, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * A while back, I thought okay maybe it could be Rog. And then after that IMDb listing I started doubting it and then when I went and watched 7x16 again and then noticed after watching 7x04 and 7x07 that they're wearing the same outfit, I definitely doubted it! Go back and watch Kent's full body scene for 7x04 and his scene for 7x07 and just compare the body, clothes, face, everything. It's obvious, as least in my opinion, that it's Kent. And this wouldn't be the first time someone appeared but wasn't credited. Kyle Gallner (Zach) in 4x16 and Dallas Roberts (Milton) in 3x16 are just a couple examples. Myelle (talk) 12:14, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I just asked an Alexandria extra and he said DMS/Kent was not on set as far as he can remember. We'll see what Jack's extra says if there's a difference. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was considering DMing David on Insta but don't know if he would reply. He would be the best source by a long shot. Also Mister T. Can you show that pic to the extra. Maybe they'll have even second thoughts, or, better yet ask if Rog was filming! Myelle (talk) 13:30, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say go for it, it's worth a shot. I sent the extra the link to Kent's page so he would recognize him but he said he wasn't there - I do not want to further bother him. Let's see what Eric the Scavenger says, because this Alexandria extra said Kent was not there and he was not too far from the Rog/Kent guy. Someone probably saw who they thought was Kent in the 7x16 promo and added him to IMDB. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 14:24, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

It's amazing how many extras have been identified lately, with the Alexandrians and Scavengers and especially the three Hilltop extras tonight. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:46, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Wtf, a whole convo happeed on my talk page... Cool lol.
 * Yeah I thought it was Kent too at first but then I saw that he was uncredited and we never really saw an up-close Kent, which makes me think its probably an extra and it looks like Rog. Who knows, hopefully we can get confirmation but one extra said he did not see DMS/Kent during filming for 7x16. And nah, I didn't get confirmation, I thought they looked similar. I wonder if its a new woman or either Tonia or the Denise-lookalike extra. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:46, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's pretty cool! Glad she loves it. Did she say whether or not she appeared in more episodes? Hope she's still with the show. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:21, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's awesome to see so many extras excited and talking about it on Facebook as well as the extras who came to edit on the wiki. Cassidy has been listed on IMDB but I guess we haven't found her yet. Can you confirm with Maggie (if she wants to talk) that those are the right images assigned to her? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:35, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Kent thing, I'll message David on Insta and see if he replies. If someone can at least get confirmation that Rog filmed, I'll let it go. Also, that's awesome on the extras! Glad they're finally seeing stuff like this. Myelle (talk) 03:23, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

New extra
An Alexandrian extra identified herself here. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:20, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * So did a Hilltop woman :) I left messages on both of their talk pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 13:17, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Do you know if any of the images from Hilltop #38 are of Cassidy? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:40, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sooo many Hilltop extras are identified, its great! And ironic you just identified Hilltop #25, I was just thinking to myself "hmm I wonder who she is". PS I got in contact with Dani that Alexandrian extra. Asked her a question on FB, we'll see if she answers. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:14, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I like it. I need to talk to you on chat later :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:45, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Go on now! =D --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:00, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hey just sharing that Jennifer will be back Season 8. Also, Bob Miller, did not film for the finale. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:36, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Kent, again lol
Hey check Kent's gallery and put his pics for 7x07 "Sing Me A Song" and 7x16 "The First Day of the Rest of Your Life" beside each other and tell me that's not the same person lol. I know Mister T. said extras didnt see David on set but jesus lol that's the same person! It's again also on his IMDb and I know Mister T as well said it isn't as reliable but I'll have to disagree. I while back when I tried to edit Mandi Christine Kerr's profile, it had to be checked by IMDb staff before it could be published. In other words, the staff makes sure it's a correct edit before it is changed. IMDb wouldn't have listed David in the episode if he didn't appear and surely David would have it removed if it was incorrect. Until we get confirmation that Rog filmed I will always believe that's Kent lol. I hope I don't sound like a winey little brat who won't let this go lol but it has been itching at me forever. If someone can just find out if Rog filmed I'll be happy haha.

PS I didn't upload Kent's 7x16 photo. Another user did. Myelle (talk) 20:09, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, meant to reply sooner but just got caught up in things. Buy yeah, I totally understand. Just glad I don't have to think obout it anymore. Also one thing that's been bugging me. In the Scavengers for Survivor #63 I believe there are two photos that I believe are a different women. The two photos from New Best Friends I think are someone else and the two photos from Rock in The Road and the finale are of another women. Does that make sense? Message me if you have any questions. Myelle (talk) 16:30, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Hey I think you misunderstood my message, kinda understandable because it was hard to explain. I'm gonna explain by numbering the pics so for example the first picture is pic #1 etc. So I think pic #1, #4, and #5 are of one women and pic #2 and #3 are of another. I basically don't think they're the same women. As in the women in pics #1, #4, and #5 isn't the same women in pics #2 and #3. They might be wearing similiar clothing, but their faces are difinitely not the same structure imo. Hope that makes better sense. Myelle (talk) 00:13, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Go on chat real quick when you can. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:48, April 15, 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't that look like Dani laying dead in that Alexandria hostages photo you uploaded? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:16, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Michaela
Yaaas the queen shall reign <3 MaidenOfHope (talk) 07:53, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:The Militia
I took a shot at identifying people on my talk page - feel free to edit the ??? numbers. As for that person, I think the orange thing is different and I can't tell how long RC's hair is nowadays but I think it could be her. Also, any update on Eric's interview/the other dead Alexandrians? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:59, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I think it's Rachel, most likely is. Good point about the old guy, probably is that. And #2 as Marc Dementer, that's what I thought too. People missing from the speech scene: Sherry, Clutch Brady & extra in plaid, two Kingdom soldiers, Hilltop woodworker, the "Kent". Anyone I don't see next season I'm moving to dead. The two Kingdom soldiers were seen in the end riding their horses as the last of the Scavengers on the wall shoot at the survivors. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:31, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not #6 and I don't see her anywhere else in the crowd. Same with the woman in the green jacket from the hostage scene. It's possible some people are at the infirmary or elsewhere since the speech scene was filmed on a different day, maybe not everyone was able to make it, like the two Kingdom riders who may be animal wranglers. So I will wait a bit in Season 8 before moving them to dead. Besides, Clutch said he was alive or something. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:47, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * He is listed as an Alexandrian on IMDB - maybe he's #2 from that photo --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:53, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's annoying with all the newbies. As long as they're recurring... maybe he was in the church in 7x04. And your format is cool, nice collage style. I prefer seeing the names too. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:06, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * That is news. I will move Stephanie to dead next season when there's an event with multiple casualties. I have a feeling Kingdom or Hilltop will be attacked in retaliation and people will be killed... --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:50, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good call, I forgot about Tonia, but I believe JL said she filmed for the finale in a Facebook post, so it could be her. She was at the church scene. And yeah I remember Danielle telling me something like that. It's weird they did that, and either way, still meant there were dead Alexandrians out there. I was gonna move "Dani" to dead and create a second character for Danielle on my page because that's so silly make extras lay dead but will all be alive in Season 8. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:59, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I guess so, still means there are some Alexandrians dead but I'm gonna stick with the 3 dead extras we know of lol that's good enough. Sounds like they didn't want too many dead. And sounds good, Oceanside and Scavengers could use another look through. I think there are more Kingdom fighters, we see other guards and soldiers in training and some probably stayed behind to protect the home. A total of 11 Kingdomners were at the battle and that was enough, given that they probably weren't expecting a fight to begin with. I'm sure Kevin and Nabila will be involved as trained milita, either as defenders or soldiers. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 15:43, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD
Please, let's talk about your persistant reversions on the character page, rather than engaging in a rather unhelpful, tedious reversion process!

Many thanks,

Nash101 (talk) 23:17, April 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Right okay:


 * Mrs Diaz: Throughout your point on Mrs Diaz, you're referring to the exact reason why she should remain as Unknown. You yourself are saying "I don't see how...", this showing how you too, don't know what happened to her. The facts are that we simply do not know what happened to the character. I too, agree, that it is unlikely she survived. However, the definition of an unknown character is one of being "alive when last seen", which Mrs Diaz was, "unsecured", which she too, was, or, "absent in later episodes or written out of the show" - she fits the definition of the Unknown Character completely. I've watched over the episode where Madison et all visit the ballroom, and there is very little evidence of any deaths in the ballroom. And to the point of her son; well I assume they were rather busy getting Jessica to safety, seeing as she had just been bitten in the neck. We know they got out - to the extent Jessica was able to be taken all the way up to the honeymoon suite - so it is not improbable that Mrs Diaz was taken under the wings of someone else in the chaos and escaped the hotel. Finally, whilst Ilene was very forceful in stating Elena killed her family, the sons weren't - and this can be attributed to the fact that they simply don't know what happened to their mother. Overall, Mrs Diaz could be dead, I agree. But she too could be alive. Now the only sensible consensus decision is to put her as Unknown - a placement which would not, in one bit, go against the definition of being an Unknown character.


 * Charles Stowe: You claim all the walkers in the hotel were put down? Well, no, this is incorrect. They were led off a pier, into the slipstream. Furthermore, again, no, he was not last seen dead either - he was last seen zombified biting his daughters neck. The example of T-Dog, he was seen eaten to the point of no return, so the comparison is not accurate. Charles was last seen zombified. We know that the hotel fell, and that it fell quickly. To such extent that those working there (Christina) didn't even have a chance to escape as she's seen in her work uniform. Now as the hotel was fine pre-Charles; Charles must have therefore been a contributing factor to the fall of the hotel, using the information we have. And as said, Ilene, Andres, Oscar - all so horrified at Charles turning and needing to aid a hugely distressed, screaming Jessica would have tried to get out of there as quickly as possible, not hang around to kill him. So, yes, I stand by this - with far greater conviction than Mrs Diaz, we never saw him being put down by anyone, so in the precedent set throughout the Wiki, he's still undead. It's like saying Jim is dead because someone might have come along and killed him?


 * Unnamed Characters: Why are we deleting "Ms" characters? What makes this any lesser worthy than characters of the "Mr" or "Mrs" category? If we delete the Thompson sisters, and the Herrera Girl, then surely we delete Mr Cruz, Mrs Diaz? Furthermore, this goes completely against precedent set? For example, take Ms. McLeod, a character who appears on TWD Main Character Page. Why is this "Ms." allowed but the ones I have put up, are not? And futher, Dr.Stevens, she's unnamed, as is Mr. Jacobson, Mrs. Blake, I can go on.

I think what I struggle to see with the above edits is how despite one following precedent set by the Wiki through the TWD character page, for some reason, this precedent is being disregarded on the FTWD pages? I remember when I deleted and merged character groups on the page - and this was reverted as it went against precedent - yet, when I follow precedent by not assuming a characters death and listing per the Unknown definition, listing a character undead as they were last seen as undead, and listing Ms. characters as not only do they already exist on TWD pages, but have the same equal weighting as Mr, Mrs, Dr, Sir, Lord, Lady... these are reverted too...?

--Nash101 (talk) 00:32, April 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * ??? --Nash101 (talk) 11:33, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * And brilliant work on Hector (Fear The Walking Dead), nice job. I assume this was a private interview - so nothing we can link to? --Nash101 (talk) 11:39, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks! Hope my albeit small comment hoped to bolster your argument ever so slightly. Have you had thoughts about the above yet? Thanks. --Nash101 (talk) 00:05, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Any chance you could reply to the Ms., Mrs Diaz & Charles stuff? Thanks. --Nash101 (talk) 23:56, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

My comments, as requested: You make a good argument for Charles Stowe, I'm willing to leave him as undead after reading that. I guess it's just that the Diaz brothers would surely have gone out of their way to put down Charles, at the request of Ilene, especially as an undead Charles was never seen again, leading to his likely death. Anyway, we can leave as undead, I am okay with that I suppose. But Mrs. Diaz should remain dead as everyone at the wedding scene was most likely killed off given the carnage and the number of undead wedding guests seen - this was an event to kill off everyone, especially all extras (like Woodbury in 3x16), including Mrs. Diaz, who was just an extra who happened to be cast as that person, but not an intended character for the storyline - aka don't overthink it. As for the points you mentioned in your message, I didn't see anything on Celia and Jorge but both should be left as dead, as sources have mentioned their demise and the show was set up that way. Until there's evidence or possibility that they will be brought back or not as dead, leave as dead - they're done. For Reynaldo, we saw him shot and killed, and that was it. Leave him as dead, until we see him reanimated etc - same precedent for the other characters of similar status. As for adding a hospital heading for two minor and for-a-while-left-unnamed characters, I don't see it as needed, just include with other LA residents. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:45, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Named Extras
Hey, Myelle and I were talking and we were discussing several extra pages that should be deleted, simply because they are not notable/recurring enough and we don't want to get carried away with named extras who are very minor (sort of like why we didn't make pages for Buffy and Lucy the Scavengers, Roger Clay, Jackson Wallace and Larry the Saviors etc). Specifically, we are talking about getting rid of John (barely appeared, very insignificant), Dan (one time appearance, very minor), Claire & Gloria as they are some of the less recurring/notable Woodburians. However, pages like Natalie, Jake, the Achey Woman, etc. can stay since they are/were more recurring/notable. Thoughts? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:22, April 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I am indifferent but I am trying to reach a compromise. I would suggest you discuss a little with Myelle on chat to get his understanding. I do not want mass deletions either, and those 4 pages are the only ones I am okay with getting rid of. I wouldn't mind keeping Claire and Gloria since they were more recurring than the other ones. Pages such as Holly, Maryanne, Sam etc are a little different because they are names mentioned in dialogue, so they automatically get pages. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:35, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

RE:New Alexandrian
Too bad he didn't show up. Hopefully he does in Season 8. If not, I won't even count him on my survivors page if he never shows up. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:31, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Chat
Hey I got your message, I've been busy but I'll have to take a look at it. Go on chat for a second. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:03, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Chat again real quick? --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 19:14, May 6, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers
Dude it took me like over 15 min to delete all those unecessary comas and you just undid my edit. Why? Myelle (talk) 16:23, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Okay but those comas STILL need to be removed! They're not necessary. It needs to say "later flees with surviving Scavengers" without the coma. So either undo your revision or spend the next 15 minutes yourself removing those comas. Thanks. Myelle (talk) 16:32, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Hey hope there's not any hard feelings between us. I can come off as harsh sometimes and I assure you I never mean it that way.

PS - I'm going to edit and remove those comas from the  Scavenger page later but I won't remove anything else lol Myelle (talk) 17:27, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Hey
Hey there Jack a user found them apparently if you scroll down more off the wikia so i assumed it was them since Bill is a positve match and Xavilaine also looks like a match. --Bailey16 (talk) 16:33, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Characters
Hey, make sure any characters who get deleted have their information added to the background page as well as their actor pages. I just did that for Ross and did the same for Thomas, Claire, and Gloria yesterday. Not sure why Mr. Richards was deleted unless people think the guy portrayed by Andrew Crigler is him. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 16:52, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Hey
I've been meaning to take better photos of Scavengers from that episode but glad you're doing it. 81a is definitely different. I think 19 and 70 could be the same. Not sure if I have them listed as the same on my page, I can't remember. I'm also on Chat if you need me. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:43, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? They look different to me, one looks Latino.. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 18:53, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up :) ---Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:42, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

Scavengers Page
Nice job finishing up the Scavengers page. I'll have to go through it and see who I'm missing from my page. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 00:44, May 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Alexandrian
No way, that guy is lanky unlike Jake lol. Besides, he's seen with Jason Lyell and Elizabeth in the background when Farron screams and falls. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:32, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, he's a newbie. Who's Bobby and which one is the elder? Lol. Maybe Danielle Lyman would know who he is. I bet he was at the church too. And same! At first I wasn't excited with all of the military stuff but it looks cool with the ranch and the dam. I'm guessing the hotel gets overrun or something bad happens. In trailer it shows Strand held to the ground and seems there are survivors in the background - one with a stroller. Maybe he flees with some hotel refugees? Hopefully he doesn't just leave on his own and leaves Elena, Hector and Ilene behind lol. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:42, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah yes Bobby. What was he wearing? Was he that guy way in the distance on the lookout platform when you can see Dani, Ryan and Kent? The old guy is random, wouldn't be surprised if he's an Alexandrian -__-. As for FTWD, yup I'm expecting newbies since there are so many extras. Can assume more have been arriving at the gates (like we saw with Brandon's group). If something does happen, I'll move most to unknown unless hotel is completely overrun or something. Supposedly spoilers say we don't see La Colombia again. What a shame, probably all unknown since no named characters are left besides Luciana. As for Lola, I think she's a good person. Read her bio. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:54, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * That would have been nice, that dang girl should have gotten a name lol but she's missing now. Wonder who took her and ran when the shots started lol. Yeah if you read the spoilers, there's some bad stuff going down at the dam. Idk if it will be a recurring location but we'll see. I think I'll like the Lola woman (lol reminds me of the "Lenora lady"). As for Camila, who knows. Haven't seen anyone who fits that description yet - maybe she'll be later in the season, as a group who attacks the ranch. Final predictions: RIP La Colonia, they're done. Rosarito hotel, overrun by internal zombie attack or raided by bad guys or riot from refugees, it'll be wiped out either way. Curious about how long Broke Jaw will last. I can see Jeremiah being like Hershel from the farm - the ranch seems to be an isolated community and not really aware of the total horror of the apocalypse that Madison and the others have witnessed. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:08, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a good idea - definitely the wedding survivors & hotel refugee sections. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:56, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

FTWD 3x02
The Q&A is out for 3x02, if you want to go find it. I have not read it. Only saw a glimpse but it includes stuff about the hotel and Strand. May answer some questions you had. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:12, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for the reverts, I just don't agree. Nothing personal!

All the best. Nash101 (talk) 00:53, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, as you can see with all the newer characters (I'm working backwards with the alive characters as a priority), how is the background survivor hunt going? --Nash101 (talk) 01:00, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

Confirmation?
Do you have confirmation of this? Thanks Nash101 (talk) 10:47, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

RE:FTWD
Yeah! I really liked those two episodes, with 3x02 being better than the first. I was so surprised at all those deaths! I knew about Steven dying but most certainly not Travis OR Charlene OR Ilene! A lot of captives died in 3x01, along with the "sleeping guard" and Willy. I didn't realize Blake had a last name and is a guest star - interesting. There's a lot of people at the ranch - two people credited but didn't speak are Russell Brown and Martha Brown, an elderly couple. Thought of Bob and Natalie, lol. I think Martha and Brown were sitting in the shade against their RV when Jeremiah was talking to Madison about the ranch. I'm sure we will see plenty more of the ranch folks, so I'm not worried. I'm going to try and do my best with the clear 3x01 soldiers, since all came back to the ranch, we'll probably see them again (that was a big convoy!). And yeah the hotel has been getting a lot more refugees it seems - thanks to Madison's actions. I do not think we will see the hotel again - they are done. The amends between Strand and Ilene (plus her death and him getting the car) signaled the closing of the hotel storyline it seems. Elena and Hector are cold now and gonna have to deal with the hotel population. Good luck to them. Definitely RIP to the La Colonians, won't be seeing them again either. That's okay, we got the ranch and already have a bunch of named residents :) --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:29, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know I was bummed about Ilene, but I think they did her death very well. I couldn't see her joining the main group or living at the hotel among the crazy refugees. Charlene was a sweetheart and was really close with Jake, I think her death will hit Jake hard. I did not see that coming at all. Yeah I'm gonna try to count the refugees at the gate. It may be like 15, hard to tell (I'm currently downloading the episode so I can take screenshots). As for the original ones, yeah, no reason they would leave ya know? They were literally begging to be let in. The hotel is gonna get overrun, lot of angry and needy people - there's no unison, it's a recipe for disaster. Elena and Hector aren't gonna be able to handle it but I really don't think we'll see them again - no reason to return to the hotel. They banished everyone (Strand, Madison, Alicia, Travis). As for Madison, she is a mix of Carol and Rick. I like it, better than Travis IMO. I hope we see her become a leader and step up and do the hard stuff. I like Alicia too. Looking forward to the dam and see what happens there! --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:47, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the dam will probably be a one-time location like the military depot in 3x01. I think Broke Jaw will be recurring and will be in conflict with the Native Americans (??) aka Qaletqa Walker and Crazy Dog. We know Ofelia ends up with them, I wonder how. Perhaps they rescued her from Jeremiah's clutches and we'll see it in 3x03? Yeah we are still a few months into the apocalypse so there will still be a lot of people or settlement around. Eventually they will die out or be overrun or ambushed, but for now there's still refugee camps-turned settlements I guess. It'll be nice to see a somewhat "normal" life at BJR, like at Alexandria. Where the soccer moms at?! LOL. PS I like Jeremiah so far, Jake too. Troy needs to die ASAP. He's trouble. The new Chris. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 02:52, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's been boring on the wiki with the shows on hiatus. Plus I been playing Dying Light again and working on that wiki. I learned how to take screenshots on the Xbox so it's been great. You're probably right about Camila - she'll be someone on that side. Who knows. I'm currently talking screenshots from 3x01, I hope to have them uploaded before I go to bed. As for the Rosarito page, yeah I don't think there needs to be a page for them. Just include it on the general background survivors page. The La Colonia people appeared more times. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:29, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Took 51 screenshots, brought it down to 28 cropped photos, and uploaded 14 of the militia members. Will upload the 14 captives tomorrow. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 04:19, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm here. Last of 3x01 screencaps uploaded: 14 captives including "Next Victim". --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 01:55, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I'm gonna work on 3x02 today :) not gonna go crazy because we will get better shots next week for sure. Already have a couple done, including Russell Brown (I think). --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 12:17, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeez, there are so many refugees. It's impossible to get them all. There's around 35-40 people at the gates. --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 03:22, June 9, 2017 (UTC)