User:Bmax999



Immortal by Eve to Adam

Jane's "Final Solution"
Okay, first, I'll make something clear to indicate my particular bias. One hundred percent, I am with Kenny to the end. I couldn't bring myself to hit "Shoot Kenny" until several weeks after the episode was released. Even then, I didn't accept the endings with Jane, because both of them seemed so hopeless. One involves inviting some potentially (and most likely) dangerous people in, the other is choosing the selfish option to be a dick to other people. Kenny's endings both symbolize a new beginning either with family or in a safe place (yes, I did just bring up Luke's statement on what the most important thing in the world). The ending alone is, I suppose, the same as the ending to Season 1 (Video Game) ending, so take that however you want it.

Now, onto the point. Jane's plan at the end of No Going Back was utterly shortsighted and extremely stupid. I'll just ramble off as many points as I can in no particular order, so bear with me. Ah-Ah-Ahem.

Jane left Clementine behind in a blizzard when the slowest walkers we have seen thus far were chasing her. Granted, she couldn't exactly fight back with A.J. in her arms, but going uphill? That seemed like she was going out of her way to abandon Clementine and get to the meet up point separately from either her or Kenny. How Clementine didn't notice that really conflicts with her observant nature.

This next point is entirely circumstantial, but is a point of view that I mean to share. At several points throughout the episodes she has been featured in, she encourages Clementine to abandon her friends. In "No Going Back", she suggests (Determinant) that other people's lives are not as important as her own. If Clementine covered Luke and then begins to crack the ice, Jane will practically outright say "Leave him to die." Again, just circumstantial, but I believe Mike approached Jane about leaving the group. Don't you think it a little strange that one of the people who consistently voted in favor of Arvo wouldn't get invited? That she didn't rush outside at the sound of a gunshot? In fact, I believe that Mike asked her about it, and she turned it down but promised to keep quiet about the plan. With Luke's death, Bonnie's death/ departure, Mike's departure and Arvo's departure, the group had been whittled down slowly. Jane could've thought "Hmm... I want that Jaime girl to myself. The less people around, the more she'll have to listen to me! Maybe she'll even friend me on Facebook! *Gasp* Mike? You're leaving? Great!"

My next point is not circumstantial and is taken directly from observed events. Jane didn't really care about anyone but herself, and wanted to make herself feel better by helping someone she felt she could treat like her sister (in Jane's special way of pretending at amusement parks). Oh sure, Luke's death hurt her. Luke, the guy that took a one night stand with her the day after Troy... I'm not even gonna finish that sentence.

What's that? You think Jane taught Clementine invaluable lessons on how to survive? If you think that, then you're correct! Yep, I'll freely admit it. Knowing which particular guard you can whore yourself to is a very important skill to have. Even more important than teaching her how to take out the knee of a walker. But wait! She didn't teach it to Clementine. Clementine does it to one or two walkers in "A House Divided", and another in "In Harm's Way". So, Jane, thanks for showing us how to do something we already knew how to do. In an even more dangerous way as well, as kicking a walker's knee from the front is a good way to have it fall on top of you, whereas Clementine knew that the best way to do it is from the side. And you "taught" us to leave Sarah behind too. That's right; condemn a girl who reminded you of a past you'd rather forget because she can't help it (though some of you didn't complain when Sarah died). And now we know how to loot corpses. Is that something you did before the outbreak?

Now for the big one: hiding A.J. and provoking Kenny. First off, she obviously didn't think her plan through, and that isn't something you can blame on the cold for slowing down your thoughts. No, you left a defenseless baby in a burnt out old car during a blizzard with no heat and only a blanket over his body. It's a good thing that baby cried out after Kenny's killing of Jane, otherwise, the baby would never have been found and would have died in the car. It also might have led to Kenny's needless death too, as in, hypothetically, he would refuse to stand up after killing Jane for anything. So, Jane, you really should have realized that failure was not an option, and it is eventually what happened. You want to kill Kenny? Well, Kenny kills you instead unless Clementine does something about it.

Now, you wanted to kill Kenny in a way that would make him seem like the bad guy. That would normally be okay when the person genuinely was bad, but when you provoke him in the first place, you are officially an idiot. Get the hell out of dodge while you can. When Clementine says "No", she doesn't mean "Maybe". When you ask "You want to abandon your friends again and live with me in a possibly hostile environment where the people who may or may not still be there have a definite reason to make us beg for our deaths before killing us?", and I answer "No", I don't mean "ask me some other time", I mean "Ask me that again and you'll really make me mad."

"She's a disturbed person, Clem..." I love it how both Kenny and Jane will try and shift the blame to someone else after one of them dies, and that Kenny's argument- despite two years of irrationality in the face of loss and pain- Kenny's argument is the only one that makes sense. Jane did want a fight. Jane was a disturbed person. She is fucking crazy. And what was Jane's defense when Clementine tried to protect her? "Um... I thought you said ask me some other time when I asked you to leave Kenny. You want to leave Kenny now?" I was so disappointed when there was no option to shoot Jane, which is exactly what I wanted to do when the fight between her and Kenny started to break out.

I'll say it again, I'm with Kenny to the end, but even if it was Vernon that came back with a new girlfriend in "A House Divided" instead of Kenny, I'd still side with him over Jane. Vernon may have been a hypocrite, but he was no murderer. Yet.

All credit for argument thesis goes to myself and Solarsearcher, a user log in on a fanfiction forum that I happen to like.

Save-Lots Bandits
This is an argument with absolutely no point to it, but I'll make it anyway.

At the end of "Starved For Help", if you chose to raid the station wagon, then you have the option to tell Clementine that you are not like the bandits for never hurting anybody to get the hoodie. There were, obviously, much better solutions to surviving when there's dozens of you rather than extortion for drugs and women, but then again, these sociopaths were "meth-riddled forest people."

As we learn from Jolene's video recording, the bandits knew and worked with the cannibalistic St. John Dairy farmers. Now, to start, we learned that not only did the bandits kill several farmhands on the farm, they were harassing their work efforts. Eventually, the St. John's made a deal with them: the bandits find people who were desperate, they tell the farmers where they are, the St. John's cook and kill them, and they give some of the meat to the bandits. Maybe, instead of killing the people they found, maybe the bandits could have decided to help around at the farm and cultivate the food they needed to keep them all fed. With their numbers, they would have a lot of protection should the electric fence ever fall. Maybe they could have had their own community and last longer than they did.

Following the deaths of the main cannibals, the bandits became more aggressive now that the group at the motor inn were getting stronger and more armed. Now, they had a right to be afraid of them, but deciding to attack them instead of taking the farm back and maybe saving Maybelle and some of the meat in the barn? It could have lasted them a while, but they didn't have to attack when one shipment was taken.

Why did they even wear masks anyway? Amateurs. You don't need a mask to scare people when you're holding the guns.

All credit for argument thesis goes to myself.

Ben and the Hatchet
Can we really blame Ben for pulling the hatchet out of the door? It's not like he deliberately wanted the walkers to get in because he thought they were still people. I have no love for the stupid boy- I'm calling him stupid because of his other mistakes- but I don't think people should be blaming him for this.

Let's start with the arguments you'll be making. "It's a glass door, moron. How in the holy Hell did you not see the flesh eating monsters on the other side of it?" Listen, the walkers did not immediately burst in once Ben removed the hatchet. They did not burst in until several moments after the bell rang, and they weren't in full force. Is it not reasonable to assume that the walkers had gone downstairs at the time Ben had gone into the hallway? They didn't all get in immediately, which means that most or all of them were gone. It took at least three walkers to actually break through, so obviously there had to be less than that many when Ben took it.

"Ben, shouldn't you have assumed that the hatchet was there for a reason?" First off, when Kenny sent Ben outside to look for something to open the armory door, he probably should have warned him about the dozens of walkers that- of which he last knew- were barely being kept outside of the hallway. Definitely. Should he have assumed it was there for a reason? Yes, but since there weren't any walkers that he could see, and since he couldn't have anticipated the bell bringing them back, it might have looked like that it wasn't needed there anymore.

"Ben's a useless idiot anyways. He got Brie killed, so he needs to be blamed regardless." Yes, it was partially his fault for Katjaa's and Duck's deaths; there were several options for him to prevent what had caused Duck to be bitten (I will not talk about them yet, Solarsearcher will do that in his fanfiction at some point. I've given my share of ideas to him already). Brie's death, although tragic and quite needless, came about because of Ben's removal of the hatchet letting the walkers in, yes. But, he did not want her dead, nor did he know that any walkers were nearby because Kenny hadn't warned him.

And the big one. "Who cares? I hate Ben. I dropped him from the bell tower because I knew what an idiot he was. Even he knew it at the end. Why should I cut him any slack?" The truth is, these arguments don't have to affect your opinion of him, whether it's low like mine or high like someone else's. But anyway, ask yourself: after reading this, do you still blame Ben for what happened to those who were lost in the school? Sure, blame him for other things, but is it really worth it to hold this particular incident against him?

All credit for argument thesis goes to myself.

What Really Happened Between Carver and Rebecca
Many people have made theories about this, and I have one of my own. We all know that Carver had hoped that he had fathered a child with Rebecca, and a thought like that doesn't come about unless there is a legitimate reason to think the baby is yours. Or you can be a confused psychopath. Or both. Mwahahahahahahaha.

Rebecca once said "Alvin and I tried for so long." Right there is the clue that would mean that the intercourse between Rebecca and Bill was indeed consensual, though it is not entirely certain still.

Carver did not, to my knowledge, actually love Rebecca. I suspect he just viewed her as a strong woman- as he comments to Clementine in his office- that he would be able to raise a child with and teach him/her to be strong just like his/her parents were. I could be wrong, though; Carver might have legitimately had feelings for her. Dark feelings, of course, but they still might have existed. It is implied that Carver might have groped her the day he discovered Luke hiding in his community (if you are uncertain how, it is because Rebecca had the radio Carver held up in the yard, and there's no way she would have just given it to him). He also fondly stroked her face at the ski lodge, either in front of an angered Alvin or the man's corpse.

Now, I'm pretty sure that every player has, at least once, watched Carver die. I did too, if only to see if Telltale has finally taken advantage of what an M-rated game can allow. I enjoyed watching his death, plain and simple. I haven't left with Sarita too many times when playing this episode, so I'm not sure if this happens either way, but Carver's last words were telling Rebecca that she loved every second of it. This does suggest that Rebecca had not wanted to have sex with Carver in the first place, though it confirms nothing regarding whether or not it was rape or just unplanned, heat-of-the-moment action.

Clementine can tell Rebecca at the observation deck that the baby does not look like Carver, to which she will harshly brush aside the comment. Rebecca was obviously eager to forget the man, and for numerous reasons, rape possibly being one of them. I myself do not support the notion of rape, regardless of Solarsearcher's conflicting views. I'm just kidding. God. Put down the phone. No need to call the police.

Does it really matter who Alvin Jr.'s father is? People will just remember him Rebecca's son. The baby looks like Alvin to some extent, or rather a smaller combination of Alvin and Doug. *shiver* The baby's eyes, in the last episode of Season Two, are neutrally brown, as were both Carver's and Rebecca's. Alvin's were a low green, though he may have been heterogenic and had a baby with his mother's eyes.

But, I digress. What really happened between Carver and Rebecca? I believe it may have been a case where the evil man seduced the younger woman into believing in him, then pulling her into bed after she threw out no objections.

All credit for this argument goes to myself and Solarsearcher.

My favorite pages

 * Kenny (Video Game)
 * Around Every Corner
 * Carlos (Video Game)
 * Clementine
 * Wait for it, and I'll prove you wrong.