All posts by I Have No Tommy and I Must Scream
ITT:
- User tries to argue the definition of bisexuality with a bisexual person
- User tries to kill a democratic argument to get things done his way, praising democracy in the same message
Snivy at this point you're just making me repeat myself because you seem to be unable to understand what bisexuality is. Clementine is NOT heterosexual if you romance Louis. She is still a bisexual person, carrying out a heterosexual relationship, exactly like RazeSpear said. The water is very mudded thanks to Telltale's piss poor writing, but this is how it is.
I am willing to reach out to the admins to unlock the page in the near future because the points about her page needing expansion are true, and this stupid argument (Yes, it is an argument. Two or more people are exchanging two different, opposite views. An argument is not necessarily a bad thing, so you don't need to constantly claim you're not doing what you're doing.) has been going on for long enough.
This is extremely frustrating and honestly, a bit offensive to me, but whatever it takes to get it over with, I guess.
(Edit) I'm also not going to get the admins to just lock the thread and kill the argument, so you can be passive aggressive and call our staff a dictatorship later on. For someone who loves talking about democracy you seem a little bit too eager to end democratic discussions.
Clementine doesn't magically become straight if you romance Louis instead of Violet, she is still bisexual, because LGBT people are born this way. In this situation, she is only acting on her feelings towards a male love interest. Her sexuality is NOT determinant because, again, sexuality can't be chosen. It really is that simple. Clementine is canonically bisexual, she will be bisexual if you romance Violet, and she will still be bisexual if you romance Louis. She might not even realize that she is bisexual if you pick him, but that doesn't change anything. You're talking out of your ass about a topic you clearly do not understand.
This same argument popped up when Telltale revealed that Javier was bisexual in a throwaway line at the end of Season 3. The fact is, you can choose how to act based on a character's sexuality (flirting with Jesus, hooking up with Violet), not the sexuality itself.
And the page will remain locked for as long as this argument stands, because this is exactly what made it be locked in the first place. We don't need a voting because locking pages to avoid edit wars when a new argument starts has been common practice on this wiki for years and all of the admins have experienced some sort of situation like this before.
(Edit) TL;DR: If you want the page to be unlocked, literally all you have to do is drop the argument. As far as I'm concerned you're the only one arguing about this, and you're not going to win it.
Okay I finally sat down and read this thread and holy fuck. As a psychology major and an LGBT person myself, I don't think you understand how this works. You can't choose to be gay or straight, you just are what you are.
I fully acknowledge that Telltale handled Clementine's sexuality very poorly, with both of her relationships in Season 4 coming completely out of left field (she never displayed any romantic interest in either Louis nor Violet before they just shoved the kiss decision in your face), but the fact is, Clementine is canonically bisexual. There's nothing "determinant" about it, she can show romantic interest towards two boys and one girl. Suggesting that her sexuality is up to "player choice" just comes across as severely insensitive towards the LGBT+ community, even if you didn't mean so. This is exactly why I asked one of our admins to lock the page, to avoid pointless arguments like this one.
Clementine being LGBT is not determinant. What is determinant is who she acts up on those feelings. She's bisexual, simple as that. The page was locked to avoid an edit war.
ZukeTheDuke wrote: how the fuck did this thread evolve to a place for playground insults
Wiki forums, not even once.
mfw Ben Paul hate in 2018
Damn I miss this shit
Hurt Kenny x2
I don't think so, we already had this same debate last week with a different user and we all came to the conclusion that adding these new categories is unneeded.
But it did raise an important question with the wording at the beginning of the articles for the CS Characters since we don't have people telling us these are Main Characters like thw shows, so it wasn't all for naught.
Yeah I doubled back on Lydia. As much as I dislike her she kind of is a main character at the end of the day. Siddiq seems to be getting more focus now but I don't think he's quite there yet, I suggest we just wait and see.
Ok, I just had to remove the "main character" line from Axel, Carol, Gabriel, Rosita, Heath, Siddiq and Lydia's page. I've also seen people adding that dumb thing to people like Allen, Billy Greene, Olivia, Otis and Patricia (lol) in the past. I also thought about removing it from Dante's and Magna's pages but I guess they're supposed to be Main Characters so I let it slide for now.
Being part of the main group =/= Being a Main Character
Being around for a long time =/= Being a Main Character
Having an actually meaningful role and impacting the story = Being a Main Character
I think we need to either let people know what we consider a "Main Character" or just drop this thing entirely, it's kind of pointless anyway.
Wait, is Axel listed as a Main Character?
God damn it people keep doing this shit every week why are people so dumb