HanataSanchou wrote:
DipsonDP wrote:
This would be an actual twist, one performed how it should be done. No forced situations, no characters revived, plus a new all-time low in human decency if someone kills Judith, cause that is WAY more fucked up than Terminus. From a writer's perspective, i only see benefits and possibilities. Do you need to replace her? Then you have Gracie. Until A New Beginning, there's no need nor purpose for Judith, instead of that of a vicitm. And even in the Comics she wasn't necessary for that arc to develop.
PD: Of course Negan can't be the one to do it. I would leave that to a desperate Simon, and his subsequent death the reward the fans need for the end of the War.
I find it much easier to just quote this, rather than keep repeating myself or read another essay of us having the exact same argument over and over again. It's irritating at this point and I'm going to save my energy. Funny no one took the time to address this, yet they want to jump on me for stating my reasons for agreeing with Dipson in the first place. Never once said anything about what kind of twist it would be - good or bad - simply that it would be a twist that no one is expecting. People aren't tuning in on a weekly basis because they're like "man, can't wait to see what Judith does this week!" She's literally had one word of dialogue, and does nothing but be a cute baby. You're putting WAYYYY to much value on this "hope for a new generation". Even if Gracie DOESN'T end up being something that the show explores, there's still Maggie's future baby which will bring this "hope", and there will probably be plenty more kids that come into the fold. Hope for the future isn't something specifically unique to Judith, you're just in your feelings because you've seen her for so long and got attached. Which happens in a show like this, no one's knocking that, but once again, that doesn't mean she's safe. The only thing remotely interesting about her regarding the plot right now, is whether she dies or not. Her "perspective" means absolute zero to the show until she's old enough to be someone who's perspective matters, hence right now she serves as little more than a plot point. Even then, she's still just gonna be a kid that can't properly defend herself until she gets MUCH older. That's when people will care about Judith. But she needs to make it there, which will take a LONG time.
I want the argument to end with this. I never jumped on you, you jumped on me for disagreeing with the theory. You addressed me directly first.
I really don’t understand why you have such a problem with me loving the character of Judith and what she can bring to the story in the future, especially now that AMC are saying they would want to continue the series for decades.
I know it’s not the main focus of the show. I don’t tune in every week to find out what she is up to but she is part of the story and the lives of the characters. It is a nice little addition to the show.
The main part of my argument is this - I like Judith. There are potential storylines beyond killing her. I simply pointed that potential out and how I would love to see that instead. She doesn’t have to be just a victim.
She or Gracie will still only be a child in the time jump but there is a big difference between the interactions and awareness a 2 year old can have compared to even a six or seven year old.
Why can’t Judith have the role Gracie would have in this scenario? I prefer that because I love tracing the journey of characters from as early as possible. People are invested in Judith. There is nothing wrong with that. Seeing her die and then be replaced kinda sucks once you get over the “twist” of her death. It is just a waste in the long term.
Seriously, that valid opinion is not worth getting that wound up about!