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Are you SERIOUSLY telling me and by extension the community there is no need for an apology over this? I don't give a flying damn if it was over your policy, you admitted that the whole situation was caused on whim of YoungAnarchy who you've known is a troll for years as we've had to contact you in the past, but you're pulling the policy card over a fucking troll we've had the issue of dealing with for years. 
 
Are you SERIOUSLY telling me and by extension the community there is no need for an apology over this? I don't give a flying damn if it was over your policy, you admitted that the whole situation was caused on whim of YoungAnarchy who you've known is a troll for years as we've had to contact you in the past, but you're pulling the policy card over a fucking troll we've had the issue of dealing with for years. 
   
The whole situation is a joke, and it's honestly coming off that you're pinning us as the bad guys instead of you admitting to messing up. C'mon Sannse.
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The whole situation is a joke, and it's honestly coming off that you're pinning us as the bad guys instead of you admitting to messing up. C'mon Sannse. So much for improving community relations, this whole situation and how you guys have handled it is honestly why Staff have become such a meme over the years, you prioritise character over the people who've helped the damn foundation grow and are willing to toss them off the bus when it suits y'all. 

Latest revision as of 23:25, February 6, 2019

While I can appreciate that you're taking the liberty to lower the bans for both Cam and Ghost, I personally still think this is unnacceptable especially given how they're STILL banned despite the fact that YoungAnarchy (whom you even admit is a regular troll) was the reason they were banned and yet you still refuse to unban them completely. 

"Obviously I'd like to avoid this, this is an important wiki, and we very much appreciate and value the community here.", - with all due respect if you genuinely appreciated and valued the community you'd have actually unbanned them completely, both Ghost and Cam are long term members of the Wiki and have served as administrators for some time. Even though you've lowered the bans it's still a slap in the face that their bans aren't completely revoked. Given how our administrators who AREN'T banned are either juggling jobs or education it's completely asinine to expect the ones we have left to do all the work when it comes to vandalism and trolls especially given time zones, c'mon Sannse!

"The wiki in question was deemed to be so toxic that it was closed." - okay I'm calling bullshit here, as a member of the Wiki in question what was removed I'm actually saying this is completely blowing it out of proportion. 

The content what caused the Wiki's removal was years old and obviously we're not going to go through every single section to alter said content because that's impossible to expect of us, plus I don't recall there were ANY clear guidelines on what such content needs to be moderated and given how the Wiki itself had a very small community at the time where most of the regulars were the same people, I fail to see how it was so toxic to the point it HAD to be removed instead of flat out going to the admins and asking them to remove the offensive material, but I suppose it's significantly easier to just remove the Wiki and go on with your day without expecting people to kick up a fuss, people who've used it to either break into writing or used it for therapeutic reasons. 

" This was due to behavior on another wiki, in particular using the n-word and other highly offensive language repeatedly, especially in conversations between users of the wiki." - it's coming off that you're branding the users which in context involves I as racists, despite the fact as mentioned the content was years old before we all took the time to go "Okay, that shit was REALLY immature", if you'd taken the time to actually look at the more recent content over the content which constantly involved us using the words you're referring to you'd see they'd either died down or completely stopped being used outside of story usage.

So do forgive me if I'm finding this part of your explanation nothing more than a joke, especially given the users in conversation are friends and as a result there was no real offense. In hindsight was it immature of us to use such language on a regular basis? Absolutely, however my point still stands in the context that we'd stopped using such language literally years ago. So I'm not going to sit here and have you brand two users especially whom I consider to be good friends as racists without even acknowledging the content is LITERALLY YEARS OLD. 

"We don't usually make public the reasons for bans, but in this case I think it's necessary for the community to hear this." - you THINK? You'd banned two users based on the whim of a constant troll whom we've had to ask Staff to deal with yet you guys refuse to actually fully get involved and simply gave stuff like "Just ban them bro" and when we asked for a solution to stop new accounts editing within a time frame you refused to provide this solution.

It is absolutely necessary to admit that you guys screwed up and banned two admins without even bothering to research fully into the situation, you guys saw a Wiki which was used for stories and the odd shitposting with said shitposting being years old and removed it without question. 

And I refuse to accept you're not even going to ask Brandon to apologise when he not only caused a major amount of distress, he's a partial reason this whole situation got blown out anyway. He simply looked at a user's report, saw the Wiki and then banned both Ghost and Cam as well as deleting the Wiki where it not only resulted in us (including myself) to get in contact and basically beg for the Wiki to be restored, it's also caused a lot of us to be reluctant to even continue contributing to Wikia as a whole (I refuse to call it FANDOM).

I've been a long term user of Wikia for over 10 years and this whole situation is actually disgusting. You say this whole thing isn't fair on Brandon where it's more unfair on both Cam and Ghost, because they were unfairly banned, and the fact Cam has had to go back and forth with you and you even mentioned this whole situation was priority yet failed to respond to Cam in adequate time despite him constantly emailing you for a response to this thing. 

It's honestly a joke that you're saying "Man it's unfair on Brandon to expect him to apologise" when we have every single damn right as human beings to expect an apology! You're seriously telling me him deleting the Wiki on a whim and then banning not one but TWO longterm users over years old content is perfectly okay to not apologise for? Especially when we had to chew out Staff for banning them thanks to a troll who's basically hellbent on trying to make our Wiki lives as miserable as possible? 

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me and by extension the community there is no need for an apology over this? I don't give a flying damn if it was over your policy, you admitted that the whole situation was caused on whim of YoungAnarchy who you've known is a troll for years as we've had to contact you in the past, but you're pulling the policy card over a fucking troll we've had the issue of dealing with for years. 

The whole situation is a joke, and it's honestly coming off that you're pinning us as the bad guys instead of you admitting to messing up. C'mon Sannse. So much for improving community relations, this whole situation and how you guys have handled it is honestly why Staff have become such a meme over the years, you prioritise character over the people who've helped the damn foundation grow and are willing to toss them off the bus when it suits y'all. 

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