Am I the only to think that Pamela and Maxwell are just new versions of Douglas and Regina with position swap?Wlion1995 (talk) 03:47, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

Pamela as Primary Antagonist

Hello there,

I was talking with @BIGBROBILI yesterday about something that tickles me: Sebastian being primary antagonist instead of Pamela.

I understood that the reason because we consider at the moment Sebastian as the primary antagonist it is because he killed Rick: I can understand that, it makes sense, but he's really the primary antagonist of the last volume?

Meanwhile the only real thing he did is to kill Rick, he never was really a problem for the survivors during the arc. He once slapped Yumiko, if I'm not wrong. 

Pamela, instead, messed psychologically with Michonne (using Elodie to make Michonne stay), Dwight and Rick himself. She even made Rick kills Dwight, one of his "best" man we can say. Yeah, Rick did it to avoid another conflict, that's for sure, but it was for the interest of Pamela. We even see how the citizens are frighten by the Commonwealth's military (the man who get brutally beaten and killed) and how Pamela manages the situation.

Plus she's one who interact the most during the volume and she even try to rally against Rick and his group. I would consider her as the primary antagonist and Sebastian as the secondary, and we could mention that he can be considered the most notorious, being the one who killed Rick Grimes.

What do you think about that? 

Elfrax (talk) 08:13, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

Idk. I might consider her the primary antagonist if she encouraged Sebastian to do it, but the most meaningful thing she did was try to attack Rick with her army. She didn't really do anything before, besides being a snob. Michonne chose to stay on her own. She was going to do it regardless of what Pamela said. Her causing Dwight's death wasn't intentional, and from her perspective the man was threatening to overthrow her and even held her at gunpoint. As for the Commonwelath's system, it is a bit of a gray zone, and I don't think she created it herself, or at least not on her own. Overall, I think because Sebastian's crimes are much worse, he should be considered the main antagonist.

DalesRV (talk) 09:12, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

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