• Remember in Russell's story, when he was talking to Nate about his previous group and how they are thugs? He then decides to join a group even worse than the last, and he never leaves??!?1 wtf Russ???

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    • He probably didnt consider Carver's group thugs. Carver just really didnt like the Cabin guys. mango cat meow

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    • Yeah, because leaving Carver's group is totally easy.

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    • It's possible that Russell thought that Carver was better than the last group that he was in, and by now  he is either dead or a walker or stuck on a radio tower on the roof while weting in his pants in fear

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    • cuz carver never said 7 is a magic number and not kill people and take their stuff

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    • The problem wasn't the "7 is a magic number" thing and Carver did kill people Russell probably just never saw him or anybody else get killed by Carver. Carver is still worse than his previous leader but since they have a base and with a horde outside you wouldn't really see a army marching down the street with AK's shooting people on site.

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    • Either Russell dies a hero or live long enough to see himself become the villain.

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    • Name one thing Russell ever did that was even remotely heroic.

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    • Because Russell is an idiot.

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    • Maybe Russell is too afraid of Carver?

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    • Leave Nate.

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    • Yep

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    • Because Russel is like a Woodbury citizen: Too dumb to notice that his leader is corrupt.......

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    • He couldn't trust Tavia but he can trust Carver?! THE HELL

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    • Bonkinhead wrote:
      He couldn't trust Tavia but he can trust Carver?! THE HELL

      Well alot of things can happen over the course of a year and remember no one was aloud to leave Carver's Place so really Russell probably didn't have a choice in the matter. 

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    • Russell probably didn't realise Carver was a killer at the time. Honestly, though, if I was Russell and some woman came to me saying she knows a better community, I wouldn't go because he has bad experiences like with Steve and Nate.

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    • Carley: What the FUCK?

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    • He becomes a thug himself. Just look at his facial expression when he talks to Clem, he's not that innocent guy from 400 days anymore!

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    • Russel didn't know. Once he got there, escaping isn't easy as we know. We can't blame Russell.

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    • 180.95.37.164 wrote:
      He probably didnt consider Carver's group thugs. Carver just really didnt like the Cabin guys. mango cat meow

      Actually, Tavia said that they only have people who want to be there. So, why was Carver huntinga fter the cabin group and the Moonstar lodge group? What's the point?

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    • PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      180.95.37.164 wrote:
      He probably didnt consider Carver's group thugs. Carver just really didnt like the Cabin guys. mango cat meow

      Actually, Tavia said that they only have people who want to be there. So, why was Carver huntinga fter the cabin group and the Moonstar lodge group? What's the point?

      Kinda because Rebecca was the presumable mother of his child, therefore his family... He also probably knew the Cabin Group did not want to be there, and had satisfaction imprisoning the people he did not like.

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    • Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

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    • PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

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    • Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

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    • PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

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    • Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

      Spellcheck doesn't recognize 'beated'. Beat and beaten are both past tense. In this case, I suggest that you would have used 'beaten', 'beat' 'beat up', or 'bitch-slapped'.

      AGAIN, Carver is an antagonist. He is an asshole. But he is not the kind of antagonist that cuases chaos just for the sake of chaos. He made a powerful, safe communtiy that actually seems pretty welcoming of newcomers. That's not bad.

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    • PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

      Spellcheck doesn't recognize 'beated'. Beat and beaten are both past tense. In this case, I suggest that you would have used 'beaten', 'beat' 'beat up', or 'bitch-slapped'.

      AGAIN, Carver is an antagonist. He is an asshole. But he is not the kind of antagonist that cuases chaos just for the sake of chaos. He made a powerful, safe communtiy that actually seems pretty welcoming of newcomers. That's not bad.

      Welcoming of newcomers? WELCOMING OF NEWCOMERS?!

      Welcoming

      YOU CALL THIS: 'welcoming of newcomers?'

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    • Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:


      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

      Spellcheck doesn't recognize 'beated'. Beat and beaten are both past tense. In this case, I suggest that you would have used 'beaten', 'beat' 'beat up', or 'bitch-slapped'.

      AGAIN, Carver is an antagonist. He is an asshole. But he is not the kind of antagonist that cuases chaos just for the sake of chaos. He made a powerful, safe communtiy that actually seems pretty welcoming of newcomers. That's not bad.

      Welcoming of newcomers? WELCOMING OF NEWCOMERS?!
      Welcoming

      YOU CALL THIS: 'welcoming of newcomers?'

      Remember the 400 Days DLC?

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    • PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:


      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

      Spellcheck doesn't recognize 'beated'. Beat and beaten are both past tense. In this case, I suggest that you would have used 'beaten', 'beat' 'beat up', or 'bitch-slapped'.

      AGAIN, Carver is an antagonist. He is an asshole. But he is not the kind of antagonist that cuases chaos just for the sake of chaos. He made a powerful, safe communtiy that actually seems pretty welcoming of newcomers. That's not bad.

      Welcoming of newcomers? WELCOMING OF NEWCOMERS?!
      Welcoming

      YOU CALL THIS: 'welcoming of newcomers?'

      Remember the 400 Days DLC?

      I know, I know, whoever Michelle takes with her is in Ep3 of S2, Bonnie goes regardless of what choices you make. I wonder if TT will do a DLC about what happened with the rest of them...

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    • Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:

      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:


      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote:


      Dr Virus 129 wrote:

      PowerPiranha666 wrote: Well, Carver is only cruel and sadistic to his enemies, and since Russell seemed obedient and hard-working, Carver was fine with him. I'm really sick of people seeing Carver like a one-dimensional bad guy. The guy is still a good leader, and his intentions are good - to create a good, stable colony of survivors. He is just very tough

      He slapped an 11-year-old girl in the face because she was staring at him. He hunted a group of people because one of them might've been pregnant with his child. He threw a one armed man of a roof, beated a defenceless man in front of people AND threatened to shoot Rebecca and her unborn baby.

      If you seriously think Carver is a 'good leader', then you need to join the Joffrey Club.

      Beaten*

      Like I said, I agree that Carver did a lot of terrible things. But hey, so did Rick. Not to Carver's extent, but he did. I meant that Carver had good intentions, he just fucked up somewhere along the way. And like it or not, most people are actually okay in his community. It's tyrannical, sure, but they have shelter, food, water, and people that aren't tearing each other apart. That's actually quite an accomplishment.

      Top marks on pointing out the obvious. Can you please give me examples and evidence of Carver being a 'good man'.

      Beaten is present tense, beated is past tense and I was typing in the past tense.

      Spellcheck doesn't recognize 'beated'. Beat and beaten are both past tense. In this case, I suggest that you would have used 'beaten', 'beat' 'beat up', or 'bitch-slapped'.

      AGAIN, Carver is an antagonist. He is an asshole. But he is not the kind of antagonist that cuases chaos just for the sake of chaos. He made a powerful, safe communtiy that actually seems pretty welcoming of newcomers. That's not bad.

      Welcoming of newcomers? WELCOMING OF NEWCOMERS?!
      Welcoming

      YOU CALL THIS: 'welcoming of newcomers?'

      Remember the 400 Days DLC?
      I know, I know, whoever Michelle takes with her is in Ep3 of S2, Bonnie goes regardless of what choices you make. I wonder if TT will do a DLC about what happened with the rest of them...

      I believe it's Tavia, not Michelle.

      I just checked out the "In Harm's Way" page just to be sure. All in all, every 400 Days protagonist may appear in that episode, concluding that they all went with her.

      About the whole "WELCOMING OF NEWCOMERS?" thing, the cabin group ran away from Howe's Hardware, so they were practically fugitives, and Kenny very likely sniped Johnny in the end of Episode 2.

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    • If your opinion on Carver is that he's a 'good man' or whatever, that is fine. I have nothing against it, we have differences, can we just end this argument? It's really boring me.

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