• Mistertrouble189
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    15:46, April 21, 2018

    I'am after season 4. Finally ! Putting away the fact, that it was incerdibly boring for me, I have to say that it was strange to watch prison story without Andrea. In my opinion killing her of by the end of S3 was the biggest mistake which writers could done to this show. I don't know what others think about that, but I see a huge hole in this story after her demise. First of all, she had fantastic base for future development. Her past with The Governor gave a lot of opprotunities in relationsip with Michonne and rest of the characters. I would love to see how she will rebuilt herself as the member of this grupu and how she wil become a valuable member of the whole prison community. Secondly, I would love to see how she will cope with Rick after the events of "I Aint a Judas" where he treated her worst than a dog. It could be also fantastic to see her reaction on The Governor arrival in "Too Far Gone". In my opinion there would be a lot more of drama and we, as the viewrs will hace a sens of connection with what was in S4 and what was in S3. Generally,  Andrea was very dynamic and multidimensional character. I thinkt that her death was irretieveable loss for TWD. The show is suffering beacuse of that drastically. She was also badass and watching scenes where she was fighting with walker, was amazing and fantastic. She was the only one survivor who could go through the forst with tiny knife. Btw, I also miss a terrifing acting of Laurie Holden. She was very attached to Andrea and became a true star of that show. She was the best actress from the whole actresses in that show.

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    • Brace yourself... The haters are coming.

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    • To be honest, I am expecting that :D

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    • For the record, I'm not one of them.

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    • I know that. Well, I went through a lot of discussions about Andrea so I am ready for an eventually "war" but maybe it won't go in this direction. She was very controversial character so I can understand mixed reaction to her story arc.

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    • I didnt like that she was killed off either

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    • Even though, that Andrea was and still is my favurite (I know, somebody could be surprised by that :)), at the beginning I was thinking that maybe her death would bring some interesting staff and put the plot on a new intriguing level. Unfortunately, when I watched a few episodes of S4 I realized that it would never happened. Everything was lazy, less dramatical and became a soap opera. And you know why? Beacuse there wasn't a good connection betwenn S4 and S3, thanks to what writes started to play games "how we will put this things together". To be honest I don't see any sens in the plot of the first eight episodes beacuse there is everthing and generally nothing. When I look on the last two season I see Andrea as this important "connection". I think that story where she will become the leader of Woodbury people will bring to this show much more dynamic and interesting staff. What is more The Governor whould have a serious reason to fight against her and the Prison beacuse the took everything what was his. Whithout that S4 was too chaotic and boring. The story of Andrea was spread into eight season. Whit her death, everything had to be changed. Right now I see a very serious effects of that in the main plot and condition of TWD. I will go further in my opinion, it effected on the whole show.

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    • Eh, Andrea's death opened up more room for Carol, so I wasn't too phased.

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    • Well, In my opinion Carol story wasn't as good as most of viewrs are saying. When I was watching S4, I was surprised by her stupidity. She couldn't  see a psychosis of Lizzie, she didn't properly take care of Samuels sister, leaving them alone at not secured area, and she killed Karen and David tring to stop ilness from spreading but unfortunately she smeard their blood all over the hallway, dragging them out to burn. Sorry, but I don't buy it. I appriciate Melissa work but this part of S4 plot wasn't even good. So I think that Carol didn't take so much benefits after Andrea deth. Btw, Andrea demise wans't needed to give Carol much more screen time, beacuse in S3 Merle nad Milton died so there was a space for her.

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    • I'm starting to think glen Mazzara had something against laurie Holden or Andrea as a character. I read somewhere that she almost died in the season 2 finale, thankfully they didn't do that

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    • I read about it too. I think that this is the reason of support which Laurie Holden and additionaly Jeffrey DeMunn gave Frank Darabont after his dismiss from the showrunner job in TWD. They were strongly against that. As we know DeMunn was fired by the end of second season so guesses about Laurie can also be true. This is sad, beacuse she was very attached to this show and was doing everything what was possible to promote it in all countries which she visited. In my opinion acting like that is very cheap beacuse Mazzara involved in that his private animosity and didn't look on a TWD story and opportunitites which Andrea as main female character could offer.

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    • the show is suffering from andreas death...???! do you know how stupid that sounds?? NO ONE liked Andrea...NO ONE. She was the dumbest character on the show by far and had no common sense. i am so glad she died, i couldn't handel another season watching her stupidity on screen.

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    • You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.

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    • 176.109.164.2 wrote: You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.

      You listed twitter and tumblr. Two social media sites where it's filled with a bunch of whiney bitchy teenage girls. Awesome job at making her fanbase look legit.

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    • TheMercilessFighter wrote:

      176.109.164.2 wrote: You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.

      You listed twitter and tumblr. Two social media sites where it's filled with a bunch of whiney bitchy teenage girls. Awesome job at making her fanbase look legit.

      um, sorry to intervene but i have to speak up to you guys that i am one of those "fan girls" of Andrea xD

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    • TheMercilessFighter wrote:

      176.109.164.2 wrote: You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.

      You listed twitter and tumblr. Two social media sites where it's filled with a bunch of whiney bitchy teenage girls. Awesome job at making her fanbase look legit.

      Well, I am following a "few" blogs about Andrea and generally I don't find "whiney bitchy teenage girls" there. I mostly speak with adult and reasonable people who has their own opinion and know how to support what they are saying. Please, do not make a generalization.

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    • Nah.. I never liked her. She was a whore anyway.

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    • Oh gawd, please no.

      First off, Andrea's TV show character falls under the category of Mazzara fuckery on the show and such fuckery could never have been fixed.

      Andrea's death was definitely a wise thing to do, her character was fucked so badly beyond recognition that TV show fans, casual fans and comic fans all couldn't stand her. Comic fans were robbed of the amazing adaption of comic Andrea that should have happened, but instead we had to endure three seasons of Holden's terrible acting and grins. TV fans were so mind boggled at her decision making skills that she became a running gag. Casual fans just flat out labeled her Lori 2.0 and a whore (an unfair distinction in context).

      There was no way the mess of her character could have been fixed and I doubt Gimple and his Daryl-boner could have fixed her in Season 4. She was everything a good character should not be and keeping her alive would have driven people away from the show.

      There was absolutely no arc that could have worked for her character at this point. The Woodbury leader crap would compromise Maggie's future leader of Hilltop storyline that cannot be robbed of an adaption. Plus, Holden's acting was terrible. She smirked, waved her thong around, smirked again and made some shitty speech with poor delivery. She was not up to the par of most of other TWD actors.

      So yeah, killing her was the right thing to do no matter how you look at it.

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    • Gravelord wrote: Oh gawd, please no.

      First off, Andrea's TV show character falls under the category of Mazzara fuckery on the show and such fuckery could never have been fixed.

      Andrea's death was definitely a wise thing to do, her character was fucked so badly beyond recognition that TV show fans, casual fans and comic fans all couldn't stand her. Comic fans were robbed of the amazing adaption of comic Andrea that should have happened, but instead we had to endure three seasons of Holden's terrible acting and grins. TV fans were so mind boggled at her decision making skills that she became a running gag. Casual fans just flat out labeled her Lori 2.0 and a whore (an unfair distinction in context).

      There was no way the mess of her character could have been fixed and I doubt Gimple and his Daryl-boner could have fixed her in Season 4. She was everything a good character should not be and keeping her alive would have driven people away from the show.

      There was absolutely no arc that could have worked for her character at this point. The Woodbury leader crap would compromise Maggie's future leader of Hilltop storyline that cannot be robbed of an adaption. Plus, Holden's acting was terrible. She smirked, waved her thong around, smirked again and made some shitty speech with poor delivery. She was not up to the par of most of other TWD actors.

      So yeah, killing her was the right thing to do no matter how you look at it.

      Just saying imo, even if Tv Andrea was more like CS Andrea, I dont see how CS Andrea would fit in the TV Show, since Dale died in S2 what would she be doing in S3 except making prison jumpsuits for everyone, crazy Tomas wasn't involved in S3, and since Carol was more suited to do the Lizze/MikaorBilly/Ben story Andrea would cut out again.

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    • Kovarro wrote:

      Gravelord wrote: Oh gawd, please no.

      First off, Andrea's TV show character falls under the category of Mazzara fuckery on the show and such fuckery could never have been fixed.

      Andrea's death was definitely a wise thing to do, her character was fucked so badly beyond recognition that TV show fans, casual fans and comic fans all couldn't stand her. Comic fans were robbed of the amazing adaption of comic Andrea that should have happened, but instead we had to endure three seasons of Holden's terrible acting and grins. TV fans were so mind boggled at her decision making skills that she became a running gag. Casual fans just flat out labeled her Lori 2.0 and a whore (an unfair distinction in context).

      There was no way the mess of her character could have been fixed and I doubt Gimple and his Daryl-boner could have fixed her in Season 4. She was everything a good character should not be and keeping her alive would have driven people away from the show.

      There was absolutely no arc that could have worked for her character at this point. The Woodbury leader crap would compromise Maggie's future leader of Hilltop storyline that cannot be robbed of an adaption. Plus, Holden's acting was terrible. She smirked, waved her thong around, smirked again and made some shitty speech with poor delivery. She was not up to the par of most of other TWD actors.

      So yeah, killing her was the right thing to do no matter how you look at it.

      Just saying imo, even if Tv Andrea was more like CS Andrea, I dont see how CS Andrea would fit in the TV Show, since Dale died in S2 what would she be doing in S3 except making prison jumpsuits for everyone, crazy Tomas wasn't involved in S3, and since Carol was more suited to do the Lizze/MikaorBilly/Ben story Andrea would cut out again.

      Well the answer is really quite simple. You see, they should have also written Dale's TV character better and not killed him off. Season 2 was the preparation of TV Andrea's coffin and Season 3 was the nail in it. Hell, she was screwed the moment Holden was casted and they started messing with the source material.

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    • Holden terrible acting? Are you kidding? She was the best actress in that show. There wasn't anyone better than her. Even Melissa didn't reach her level. Laurie has the biggest amout of the most difficult scenes to play and she became a leading actress of "The Walking Dead". Darabont kewn what he was doing by casting her as Andrea. The whole cast was shocked that so amazing person was fired from TWD.  Her acting was also appriciated by many critics beacuse of variety of expressions and skills which she was presenting during season one, two and three.

      It is worth to mention abuot Greg Nicotero statement from April. He said that he and a few others producers were aginst killing Andrea off so quickly beacuse of her story which was spread into eight season, but hey couldn't forced Mazzara. It show that even writers looked on that as a wrong decision and a big mistake.

      You said that Andrea would be a reason for people to stop watching TWD. It funny. You know what? Beacuse even thought thath S4 was incredibly weak, boring and bad written, no one stopped watching it. It shows that viewers are less critical than you said and they tollerate mostly everything wat producers are giving.

      You also said about Maggie future as a leader of Hiltop. Please. There is nothing interesting in that. Kirkman completly forgot about her. I don't see any reason in adapting that into TV shows. Andrea as a leader of Woodbury would be much more interesting beacuse she would be integral part of S4 storyline. Comic Maggie in this history just dissappear.

      Of course that Andrea could be redeemed. After The Governor she had a lot of potencial and developing ways. Even Gimple regret that he can't work with Holden and Andrea anymore.

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    • It was the only bad thing about WTTT, everything else was brilliant. She died for no reason other than having a finale death. I mean, yeah... She died over her own stupidy, which is probably what at least one character in every show needs to happen. But it was just a lazy way of not having to fix her.

      They could've redeemed her, brought her back somehow. But nope, had to kill her off.

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    • i didn't like or dislike Andrea but I thought her death was unrealistic and not needed. She could had easily escaped where she was being capture and then in the season 4 mid season finale Andrea sees the governor and the governor is like join me and she says go to hell and then she would had been the one to put him down..

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    • First off, Andrea is not a badass!!Secondly, yea sure her character could have been used more precisely like in the Comics. But boy her character sucked!! pure as simple and her development was just like a tick tock tick tock not impressing at all!! Michonne has already filled in that role for her. If anything she can be Rick's love interest now since in the Comics it was Andrea. Andrea was poorly written in the show and if she was alive it probably would have been the same thing for the past 3 seasons. Terrible attitude, extreme cockiness, and such a small worded person.If her role was like in the Comics then yes maybe i will take some consideration. BTW I love Laurie Holden too! Great actressAll I really got say is We already ahd 1 whole season without her AND MAN IT FEELS FUGGING GOOD!!! 

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    • Honestly, for me S4 is not as good as you said. I was talking about  it earlier in this conversation. But let's go back to a "character sucked" argument. In your opinion Andrea was unable to redeem hersefl and go back on a proper and accurate development process. It is funny, and you know why? Beacuse in TWD we have an enormous amount of characters who previously "sucked" but somehow could change themselves. Rick sucked during S3 and half of S4. Michonne sucked during S3 (egoistic and selfish idiot who was only thinking about hershel and who was always bringing unneccesary trouble with her). Daryl sucked during whole S3 and S4, and what is the most funny, he will be the same during S5. Glenn also sucked during S3 and S4. Carol too. But they came back somehow. So what is the conclusion? Andrea also had an opportuinty to change her situation. As everybody. I really can't understand this strong words, that she didn't have a chance when other had.


      BTW you forgot abou one very important thing, from the begining of S4,Gimple was a shrowrunner. He has different approach to TWD than Mazzara and I am sure, that he would make Andrea shine.

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    • 176.109.164.2 wrote:
      You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.

      everyone i have ever met in my life has never mentioned andrea, even when she was on the show she was the dumbass bitch that made stupid decisions...laurie holden might have a fan base but andrea was, if not the worse, character on the tv show. even if she was thinking about morality she did it in the most dumbest ways possible...

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    • Andrea's my favorite character too...when my mom was started to watch it, because of Andrea. and when she died, she dosen't wanna watch it anymore. when Andrea was alive, my mom would always put on the channel in season 1-3. but when it's season 4, she changes it and it is kinda boring if you think about it. I still watch the show but without Andrea, i wasn't as exited when she was alive. Andrea was my favorite character. It was all Glen Mazzara's fault. If it wasn't for him, she would be still alive, i even heard that Gimple wanted to work with Holden, but Mazzara killed her off before Gimple was a producer. Gimple could've fixed her, and if it was, Andrea would've been one of the faves right now. Sadly its not though. 

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    • XbowXpert wrote:
      176.109.164.2 wrote:
      You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.
      everyone i have ever met in my life has never mentioned andrea, even when she was on the show she was the dumbass bitch that made stupid decisions...laurie holden might have a fan base but andrea was, if not the worse, character on the tv show. even if she was thinking about morality she did it in the most dumbest ways possible...

      Question is, how many people have you met? 12? 20? max 30? It doesn't prejudge the reality. And reality is, that Andrea has a fan base too. You can't change that. I'm also talking with many people and most of them have the same opinion as me. She had a future and could be redeemed. The barriers in Andrea development could be easily forced by Gimple. He understood her, he liked to worked with her personality

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    • 176.109.164.2 wrote:
      XbowXpert wrote:
      176.109.164.2 wrote:
      You don't like her, that's fine but please do not say that there is no one who actually liked her. Even though that Andrea is dead, she has tones of fans who support her. In every comic con where Laurie Holden appear people are talking abut Andy and try to get information why she was killed so early. She has a huge fanbase on twitter and tumblr. That is a fact. I know that her haters will do whatever is possible to discredit her but you can't change the reality. For some people she was, she is and she wil be favourite. And if we talk abut stupidyty of character. Right know the most stupid characters are Carol, Glenn, Tyreese and-what is the most funny-Daryl. In S3 Rick was actually the dumbest one. So I have to dissagree with your opinion. Btw, you said that she was the dumbest one. That is funny, beacuse thanks to her most of characters are still alive. She saved Carol and Beth, she gave Lori her place in a truck thanks to what Lor survived the events of "Bedside the Dying Fire" and could born Judith. Andrea also warned the prison grup about military potential of The Governor. She forced Rick to take actions to forify the prison. She also tried to make peace between Woodbury and Prison to stop killing eachother in an irracional war of two blinded leaders who were under the influence of their psychosis. She was the only one who was still thinking about morality and human race. She was the only one who was stil thinking about future. I don't think that this is an expression of stupidity, as you said.
      everyone i have ever met in my life has never mentioned andrea, even when she was on the show she was the dumbass bitch that made stupid decisions...laurie holden might have a fan base but andrea was, if not the worse, character on the tv show. even if she was thinking about morality she did it in the most dumbest ways possible...
      Question is, how many people have you met? 12? 20? max 30? It doesn't prejudge the reality. And reality is, that Andrea has a fan base too. You can't change that. I'm also talking with many people and most of them have the same opinion as me. She had a future and could be redeemed. The barriers in Andrea development could be easily forced by Gimple. He understood her, he liked to worked with her personality

      i met enough to know that andrea was not anywhere near their favorite characters. i undrstand andrea has a fan base but what im trying to say is that her fan base is so minute that she was just another irrelevant character, she could not have been redeemed and that is why she was killed of. pathetic character.

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    • Please, don't be silly. I can assure you that Andrea has as big fanbase as rest rest of characters. Many people are still talking about her and going on a comic con to meet with Holden. In a few comic con Laurie has her own panel like in Saint Louis or Mexico where the maint topic was Andrea actually. As I said you can not change the reality. 

      And, if we talk about pathetic and irrelevant characters and their fan base. It's funny that you are saing something like that. You know what? Becuse Daryl has an enormous fan base and he is right know the most pathetic characters.

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    • Andrea was poorly written, and a very very unlikable character. Kirkman & co knew that she was never going to become as good as her comic counterpart, so what was the point in keeping her alive? It wasn't a pointless death at all, it showed that she missed her chance to kill The Governor, she fell into his trap, and she paid the ultimate price.

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    • 176.109.164.2 wrote:
      Holden terrible acting? Are you kidding? She was the best actress in that show. There wasn't anyone better than her. Even Melissa didn't reach her level. Laurie has the biggest amout of the most difficult scenes to play and she became a leading actress of "The Walking Dead". Darabont kewn what he was doing by casting her as Andrea. The whole cast was shocked that so amazing person was fired from TWD.  Her acting was also appriciated by many critics beacuse of variety of expressions and skills which she was presenting during season one, two and three.

      It is worth to mention abuot Greg Nicotero statement from April. He said that he and a few others producers were aginst killing Andrea off so quickly beacuse of her story which was spread into eight season, but hey couldn't forced Mazzara. It show that even writers looked on that as a wrong decision and a big mistake.

      You said that Andrea would be a reason for people to stop watching TWD. It funny. You know what? Beacuse even thought thath S4 was incredibly weak, boring and bad written, no one stopped watching it. It shows that viewers are less critical than you said and they tollerate mostly everything wat producers are giving.

      You also said about Maggie future as a leader of Hiltop. Please. There is nothing interesting in that. Kirkman completly forgot about her. I don't see any reason in adapting that into TV shows. Andrea as a leader of Woodbury would be much more interesting beacuse she would be integral part of S4 storyline. Comic Maggie in this history just dissappear.

      Of course that Andrea could be redeemed. After The Governor she had a lot of potencial and developing ways. Even Gimple regret that he can't work with Holden and Andrea anymore.

      Ok, so you definitely haven't watched this show.

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    • Andrea had a small fan base. She was nowhere near a fan favourite. Even Beth has atleast double the fanbase Andrea had now.

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    • Kirkman & co knew that she was never going to become as good as her comic counterpart? Please. Three week before making the finale of S3 Kirkman and Co decided that she will be a leader of Woodbury in S4. Her story was spread into eight season. They perfectly knew why they should keep her alive. From the very beginnig Andrea supposed to be a female leading character in TWD. That's a fact. They had never planned to kill her of so quickly. The decision was made by Mazzara just before making "Welcome to the Tombs" and there was no time to change that. Writers had never truly discussed that. Greg Nicotero was talking abou that during his meeting with Laurie in April.

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    • 176.109.164.2 wrote:
      Kirkman & co knew that she was never going to become as good as her comic counterpart? Please. Three week before making the finale of S3 Kirkman and Co decided that she will be a leader of Woodbury in S4. Her story was spread into eight season. They perfectly knew why they should keep her alive. From the very beginnig Andrea supposed to be a female leading character in TWD. That's a fact. They had never planned to kill her of so quickly. The decision was made by Mazzara just before making "Welcome to the Tombs" and there was no time to change that. Writers had never truly discussed that. Greg Nicotero was talking abou that during his meeting with Laurie in April.

      So you think, after those first two seasons, and the first half of Season 3, that Andrea could still have become a fan favourite, and the badass in the comic? Of course she couldn't. She was stupid, made ridiculous decisions, accidentally shot the fan favourite. She may be the lead female in the comic, but she certainly wasn't for the show. The casting of Laurie Holden alone meant that she wouldn't be much like her comic counterpart. In my opinion at least, it was a miscasting that back fired.

      They had to kill the character off, because there was nothing else for her. They took the decision to kill her off instead of make her become leader because she just wasn't liked, and why keep Woodbury around anyway? It would have disrupted the story of what was to come, which was a lot better than what they would have done, by just keeping her around, to make even more ridiculous decisions, and keeping Woodbury around.

      "You chose a comfy bed over a friend". You said it Michonne. Show has improved without Andrea.

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    • RFC TWD wrote:
      Andrea had a small fan base. She was nowhere near a fan favourite. Even Beth has atleast double the fanbase Andrea had now.

      i agree with this, beth does have a bigger fan base than andrea. plus even with behts emotionless face she still was more likeable than andrea, andrea just made dumbass decisions that just made you want to punch her in the throat.

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    • Andrea is really no loss, the TV version anyway. She was Dale light. All the trash with trying to get everyone to get along, she chose comfort over trusting someone she spent eight months with, she stayed with the Governor after seeing his tank of heads and his locked up walker daughter. She is as complicit as he is in what happened at the Prison, twice.

      She was too attached to the old world, and the comforts of it and decided to look away. She also had the ear of the guy in charge, making her the Woodbury version of Lori, Woodbury's First Lady. She kind of liked that I think.

      The way she handled the whole Milton thing when she was locked into the room with him, too much screwing around in getting free. That kind of incompetence got her killed.

      Her and Lori can now fight over who is the queen bee in whatever afterlife they are in.

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    • i think it's not fair to blame Laurie Holden for people's despite her character so... eagerly. i think it's AMC and the writers' fault. they shouldnt have messing with the source material for God's sake. take a page from Game Of Thrones, AMC. even some points are changed, and i do understand that. but, what AMC does with The Walking Dead is the same as pouring water on its pages, and let it dries out itself. and do you kno what happens to a dry paper after it got wet? clumsy, yeah.. that's the word to describe the show, "clumsy." even tho, i lovee itt so mucchhh.

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    • Bernadusandrew wrote:
      i think it's not fair to blame Laurie Holden for people's despite her character so... eagerly. i think it's AMC and the writers' fault. they shouldnt have messing with the source material for God's sake. take a page from Game Of Thrones, AMC. even some points are changed, and i do understand that. but, what AMC does with The Walking Dead is the same as pouring water on its pages, and let it dries out itself. and do you kno what happens to a dry paper after it got wet? clumsy, yeah.. that's the word to describe the show, "clumsy." even tho, i lovee itt so mucchhh.

      it is absolutely not laurie holdens fault. amc is truly a horrible network.

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    • I think Laurie Holden was the only exception for the nepotism in The Walking Dead. Jeffery DeMunn and Melissa McBride were perfect for Dale and Carol and Frank Darabont did right by hiring them. Laurie Holden is where the nepotism failed. To be honest, Emma Bell should have played Amy. She was more age appropriate, more of a bombshell, more awesome, more likable, and acted way better than Laurie Holden.

      Though it's nice that we have a form of an Andrea adaptation in Carol, since TV Carol was always better than TV Andrea, but it still sucks that we can't say the same for TV Andrea as we do for Comic Andrea. We will never have the namesake of Andrea be a bad-ass sniper and the new Mrs. Grimes.

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    • Eh. It was long overdue

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    • She wasnt even supposed to be killed off until Glen Mazzara fucked it all up.

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    • BernieBoi wrote:
      i think it's not fair to blame Laurie Holden for people's despite her character so... eagerly. i think it's AMC and the writers' fault. they shouldnt have messing with the source material for God's sake. take a page from Game Of Thrones, AMC. even some points are changed, and i do understand that. but, what AMC does with The Walking Dead is the same as pouring water on its pages, and let it dries out itself. and do you kno what happens to a dry paper after it got wet? clumsy, yeah.. that's the word to describe the show, "clumsy." even tho, i lovee itt so mucchhh.

      IKR. I mean I get that they are making a point by not chopping ricks hand off, adding Daryl T Dog Jaqui and a whole lot more unnecessary characters, not killing Judith, KILLING CARL tha the show is different with the comics BUT you dont have to DRASTICALLY alter the shows source material! Like Killing Andrea is a dick move by Glen Mazzara. Im glad that he wont be running for season 4 and the rest. If he did well who knows who he'll kill next for "Shock purposes". Maggie? Carol? Gabriel? Might as well Kill daryl and Rick too while your at it dickhead

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