• I think his death was too early. I think there was more to his character. When I saw the first trailer I actually thought he was talking to Eugene on how they're going to DC to "cure this thing" but it turned it didn't happen. I could've seen him going to DC then going bad and turns on the group.Plus I would've liked to have seen more flashbacks about Terminus as I also think that Terminus was only on the show for a little time. The whole second half of Season 4 was spent on going to Terminus and we only got 1 episode showing who they really were. What do you guys think? Do you also think it Gareth's death was too early?

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    • Yes, he didn't get the air time the character (and the actor) deserved. It would have been interesting to see Gareth and Rick forced to work together.

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    • At first i thought he'd cooperate with rick and his group when he found out about Eugene knowing the cure but i guess not :/

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    • With the short amount of time he got Gareth is still my favorite villan from the show and is one of my favorite characters by far. he definitely died too early its a shame too.

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    • He was a great character. But we have to look at it from the characters perspective. Had rick decided to allow him to leave or join their group no one would have bought it it would have been silly although I wish we had learnt more about Gareth their back story seeing them turn into the cannibles we know that if we were rick we need him dead... Now. So I see why they killed him it was ricks only choice especially after what happened with the governor and then seeing him accept his brutality with the claimed crew.

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    • His story was even longer than his comic counterpart. There is no Terminus in comics story, so I think it was good enough.

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    • One of my biggest complains about the show is how they stretch out shit for way too long. Arcs like the farm and the Governor could've used some trimming down. I'm glad that they kept the Gareth and Terminus stuff short.

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    • Relativus wrote:
      One of my biggest complains about the show is how they stretch out shit for way too long. Arcs like the farm and the Governor could've used some trimming down. I'm glad that they kept the Gareth and Terminus stuff short.

      That's what I DON'T like in the comics. In my opinion, the storyline in the comics goes a bit too quickly (especially in earlier issues) - WTF scenes after WTF scenes, brutality after brutality (for example - They find a prison, Julie gets shot, Chris is killed, Susie and Rachel are beheaded in the same issue, Tyreese gets stuck in gym room, Thomas is nearly beaten to death, Thomas nearly kills Patricia, THomas is shot, Dexter and ANdrew try to take over the prison in the next issue, Dexter is shot, Allen is bitten one issue later, Carol nearly commits suicide, Tyreese and Rick brutally fight each other, Allen dies - All that happens from issue 13 to issue 23.) While it works in the comics, it would not work on TV because it would lack character development (there are several comic characters that were just dead weight - Otis was more significant in two episodes on TV than in 13 issues he appeared in comics ( lifespan from  issue 9 to issue 35))

      And the farm arc in the comics was too short (3 issues - They arrive, they open the barn, they are forced to leave) - and the farm wasn't even lost. In issue 53, the farm was unharmed even though they had been living in the prison for nearly a year. No walker herds? The episode, where farm gets overrun, is very emotional in my opinion (especially Hershel's face expression when he is forced to leave). If they had left it too soon the impact would not be soo big.

      I completely disagree the Governor's arc was too long (I still agree season 3 was a bit boring but not because of the Governor). I never wanted the prison to be destroyed in the finale of season 3 - it wasn't even a safe place - still full of walkers. And the Governor was a bit too evil in that moment. When he died in "Too Far Gone" I even felt sorry for him as he was more a fool than evil person.  Every antagonist on TV (Shane, The Governor, Joe, Gareth) was more fleshed .out and had good and bad side - the antagonists in the comics are one-dimensional psychopaths who are pure evil. I've always supported "grey" characters and I still do.

      To conclude, I agree the TV series has its flaws but so have the comics (mentioned above). What TV series does better, is fleshing out characters - especially the secondary ones (Martinez, Otis) and the antagonists (Shane, THe Governor, Joe, Gareth).

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    • Questlord195 wrote:
      Relativus wrote:
      One of my biggest complains about the show is how they stretch out shit for way too long. Arcs like the farm and the Governor could've used some trimming down. I'm glad that they kept the Gareth and Terminus stuff short.
      That's what I DON'T like in the comics. In my opinion, the storyline in the comics goes a bit too quickly (especially in earlier issues) - WTF scenes after WTF scenes, brutality after brutality (for example - They find a prison, Julie gets shot, Chris is killed, Susie and Rachel are beheaded in the same issue, Tyreese gets stuck in gym room, Thomas is nearly beaten to death, Thomas nearly kills Patricia, THomas is shot, Dexter and ANdrew try to take over the prison in the next issue, Dexter is shot, Allen is bitten one issue later, Carol nearly commits suicide, Tyreese and Rick brutally fight each other, Allen dies - All that happens from issue 13 to issue 23.) While it works in the comics, it would not work on TV because it would lack character development (there are several comic characters that were just dead weight - Otis was more significant in two episodes on TV than in 13 issues he appeared in comics ( lifespan from  issue 9 to issue 35))

      And the farm arc in the comics was too short (3 issues - They arrive, they open the barn, they are forced to leave) - and the farm wasn't even lost. In issue 53, the farm was unharmed even though they had been living in the prison for nearly a year. No walker herds? The episode, where farm gets overrun, is very emotional in my opinion (especially Hershel's face expression when he is forced to leave). If they had left it too soon the impact would not be soo big.

      I completely disagree the Governor's arc was too long (I still agree season 3 was a bit boring but not because of the Governor). I never wanted the prison to be destroyed in the finale of season 3 - it wasn't even a safe place - still full of walkers. And the Governor was a bit too evil in that moment. When he died in "Too Far Gone" I even felt sorry for him as he was more a fool than evil person.  Every antagonist on TV (Shane, The Governor, Joe, Gareth) was more fleshed .out and had good and bad side - the antagonists in the comics are one-dimensional psychopaths who are pure evil. I've always supported "grey" characters and I still do.

      To conclude, I agree the TV series has its flaws but so have the comics (mentioned above). What TV series does better, is fleshing out characters - especially the secondary ones (Martinez, Otis) and the antagonists (Shane, THe Governor, Joe, Gareth).

      You deserve a medal dude :D

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    • Relativus wrote:
      One little cheeseburger.
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    • I didn't like the governor and his storyline. It was way to drawn out. I did feel Gareth died too soon.

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    • Gareths death was far to early! i mean, come on! 4 Episodes?!?! The Governor got a whole season and a half! i could see alot more development to Gareths character, he could of been the main antagonist for season 5. Its like the producers were trying to rush his death so they could get onto the next part quickly. I think Gareth should of lived for at least a season. (Bonus : Gareths hot :D )

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    • I wish he appeared in more episodes, but at least he got what he deserved.

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    • This guy.. well, he was way more interesting than the Governor.  People who say the Governor had all sorts of character, I don't get.  The guy's motivations were just plain non-existent.  He just did such incredibly random shit.  All the time.  Everything he did, I was like "why the hell would -anyone- do that?" .. Gareth had some real motivation.  He should've sent his buddies in to the church, and slipped away when shit turned out bad for him.

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    • Blade.eric wrote: This guy.. well, he was way more interesting than the Governor.  People who say the Governor had all sorts of character, I don't get.  The guy's motivations were just plain non-existent.  He just did such incredibly random shit.  All the time.  Everything he did, I was like "why the hell would -anyone- do that?" .. Gareth had some real motivation.  He should've sent his buddies in to the church, and slipped away when shit turned out bad for him.

      The governor was clearly a bit of a psychopath he enjoyed killing he kept trophies and felt no guilt. He is a classic serial killer charming intelligent and felt no remorse. His motivation was all about survival and redemption for his dead daughter. Gareth was an interesting character but I feel that had it not been for what happened to his group he would not have been. The governor was almost waiting to become that monster with the opportunity to kill and get away with it. Gareth was almost too confident and arrogant upfront the governor was a bit more sly appearing to try and win over people initially before killing them.

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    • i think i changed my mind about gareth's death, i think it is right that he died at that time. I guess i've just gotten used to the slowness of the walking dead recently. Most stories dragged on but the terminus had the appropriate amount of episodes. If it continued, it would've just dragged on.

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    • I think it was the right time for him to go. But at the same time, I wouldn't have mind if they kept him around longer. Anything to avoid the needless padding with Beth's story arc... 

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    • He could die in Mid-Season finale and there didn´ have to be the bitch Dawn... It´d be much better if they would find out that Gareth kidnapped Beth and they´ve eaten her...

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    • Walkerbait wrote:

      Blade.eric wrote: This guy.. well, he was way more interesting than the Governor.  People who say the Governor had all sorts of character, I don't get.  The guy's motivations were just plain non-existent.  He just did such incredibly random shit.  All the time.  Everything he did, I was like "why the hell would -anyone- do that?" .. Gareth had some real motivation.  He should've sent his buddies in to the church, and slipped away when shit turned out bad for him.

      The governor was clearly a bit of a psychopath he enjoyed killing he kept trophies and felt no guilt. He is a classic serial killer charming intelligent and felt no remorse. His motivation was all about survival and redemption for his dead daughter. Gareth was an interesting character but I feel that had it not been for what happened to his group he would not have been. The governor was almost waiting to become that monster with the opportunity to kill and get away with it. Gareth was almost too confident and arrogant upfront the governor was a bit more sly appearing to try and win over people initially before killing them.

      if you read the rise of the governor it gives you a better understanding of how he became the way he is and why, after reading it i felt incredibly sorry for him even tho he became the monster he was. of course im speaking of the comics more than the show

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    • LeonSGrimes wrote: He could die in Mid-Season finale and there didn´ have to be the bitch Dawn... It´d be much better if they would find out that Gareth kidnapped Beth and they´ve eaten her...

      Not much meat on Beth's bones.

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    • Losingitlady wrote:

      LeonSGrimes wrote: He could die in Mid-Season finale and there didn´ have to be the bitch Dawn... It´d be much better if they would find out that Gareth kidnapped Beth and they´ve eaten her...

      Not much meat on Beth's bones.

      Still better than "Tainted Meat" right? (They didn´t get infected, I know)

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    • Haha, Conan O'Brien called Gareth a hipster on Talking Dead, so that is enough to kill the character on its own.lol

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    • Gareth was such an interesting character and antagonist, better than The Governor, and had so much potential for the show. I seriously think that the writers should have made Gareth the main antagonist of the first half of Season 5 and then there wouldn't have to be that boring and useless bitch cop Dawn Lerner. Gareth and the cannibal arc were way better and more interesting than Dawn and the hospital arc. And it would have been better if Beth was kidnapped by Gareth's people, brought to terminus and either joins them (but later leaves them to go back to Rick's group and her sister Maggie) or gets eaten by them, and Rick's group would find her mutilated. That would have been much better.

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    • Paulsmithson20 wrote: Gareth was such an interesting character and antagonist, better than The Governor, and had so much potential for the show. I seriously think that the writers should have made Gareth the main antagonist of the first half of Season 5 and then there wouldn't have to be that boring and useless bitch cop Dawn Lerner. Gareth and the cannibal arc were way better and more interesting than Dawn and the hospital arc. And it would have been better if Beth was kidnapped by Gareth's people, brought to terminus and either joins them (but later leaves them to go back to Rick's group and her sister Maggie) or gets eaten by them, and Rick's group would find her mutilated. That would have been much better.

      Sounds good but very unrealistic in my opinion

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    • Almost nothing is realistic in shows and movies my friend.

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    • Paulsmithson20 wrote: Almost nothing is realistic in shows and movies my friend.

      There is a difference in zombie apocalypse unrealistic. And morales being alive and in Alexandria when his recent plan was the opposite way unrealistic (just using that as an example). besides, terminus kills their captives pretty quickly and burns their bodies (as seen in season 4 finale). If something like that happened, the most likely thing would be: she is thrown into one of the train carts, either Sam's or Ricks group's.

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    • No because he lasted 4 issues and 4 episodes and besides It was the Right and Correct time

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    • Yes. The season 4 finale played him up to be a replacement for the governor as a reoccurring antagonist. I did not expect him to die until the finale of 5 or the mid season finale of 5

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    • Gareth should have remained alive at least till mid-season finale. I really don't understand promoting him to series regular only to kill him 3 episodes later. I know his comics counterpart lived for a very short time, but I think the Hunters/Terminus could easily be expanded. I think the biggest mistake was to follow comics too closely - there was no way out. And I still can't believe than only 6 Terminus residents made out alive while Rick's group (16 people) escaped unharmed..

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    • I do think Gareth should lived longer. For his short story arc it was amazing from start to finish. But should of been longer. This is how I would did it.

      No Santuary- Great leave how it is. Strangers- Instead of what they did which was great and loved the ending. I would have it be a background on Terminus and The Hunters. Have it show early Terminus a helpful place. But then have the strangers show up and turn them into evil cannibals. Four Walls and A Roof- Have it be how strangers originally is. Fear the Hunters- Hunters and Bobs death. This would be better in my opinion, have more background of Hunters and little longer

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    • Paulsmithson20 wrote:
      Questlord195 wrote:
      Gareth should have remained alive at least till mid-season finale. I really don't understand promoting him to series regular only to kill him 3 episodes later. I know his comics counterpart lived for a very short time, but I think the Hunters/Terminus could easily be expanded. I think the biggest mistake was to follow comics too closely - there was no way out. And I still can't believe than only 6 Terminus residents made out alive while Rick's group (16 people) escaped unharmed..
      I agree. I mean look at Joe and the Claimers: they were the TV counterparts of the Maurauders (who only appeared in 1 issue of the comics). Joe and the Claimers appeared in 4 episodes (and they were the main antagonists of all of the second half of Season 4) before dying and they were more developed and prominent than the Marauders, so why can't Gareth survive for more than 4 episodes than his comic counterpart Chris did. You are right about the show following too close to the comics. Look at the past seasons: the prisoners at the prison were changed so much in the TV Series compared to the comics, Hershel's family is much smaller in the TV show than in the comics, they killed off characters like Dale, Patricia, Lori, and Axel too soon in the TV show, while their comic counterparts survived for much longer, and they killed off Sophia and Andrea in the show, while their comic counterparts are still alive. My point is that the changes to the show are both good and bad, but the writers should really keep to NOT following the comics too much because A) those who have read the comics will pretty much know of what's to come in future episodes of the show, and B) if there are characters in the TV show that have the potential of being as good as or better than their comic counterparts, then it would be a waste to kill them off so soon like in the Comics. I think the show is gradually going downhill, like with other shows in the past such as Lost, 24, Heroes, etc.

      I agree with you except for the last statement. I think TWD already passed its low point and that was season 3, season 4 was a big improvement in my opinion and season 5 even better.

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    • Questlord195 wrote:
      Paulsmithson20 wrote:
      Questlord195 wrote:
      Gareth should have remained alive at least till mid-season finale. I really don't understand promoting him to series regular only to kill him 3 episodes later. I know his comics counterpart lived for a very short time, but I think the Hunters/Terminus could easily be expanded. I think the biggest mistake was to follow comics too closely - there was no way out. And I still can't believe than only 6 Terminus residents made out alive while Rick's group (16 people) escaped unharmed..
      I agree. I mean look at Joe and the Claimers: they were the TV counterparts of the Maurauders (who only appeared in 1 issue of the comics). Joe and the Claimers appeared in 4 episodes (and they were the main antagonists of all of the second half of Season 4) before dying and they were more developed and prominent than the Marauders, so why can't Gareth survive for more than 4 episodes than his comic counterpart Chris did. You are right about the show following too close to the comics. Look at the past seasons: the prisoners at the prison were changed so much in the TV Series compared to the comics, Hershel's family is much smaller in the TV show than in the comics, they killed off characters like Dale, Patricia, Lori, and Axel too soon in the TV show, while their comic counterparts survived for much longer, and they killed off Sophia and Andrea in the show, while their comic counterparts are still alive. My point is that the changes to the show are both good and bad, but the writers should really keep to NOT following the comics too much because A) those who have read the comics will pretty much know of what's to come in future episodes of the show, and B) if there are characters in the TV show that have the potential of being as good as or better than their comic counterparts, then it would be a waste to kill them off so soon like in the Comics. I think the show is gradually going downhill, like with other shows in the past such as Lost, 24, Heroes, etc.
      I agree with you except for the last statement. I think TWD already passed its low point and that was season 3, season 4 was a big improvement in my opinion and season 5 even better.

      Seasons 3 and 4 were much better than season 5... Everythang happened so fast in season 5, also the fucking fillers with fucked up hospital, with bitch Beth and Dawn... It was totally pointless... They should´ve make it like Beth´s been eaten by Terminusers... 

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    • Do you really think Rick would trust Gareth?

      Gareth is a child murdering cannible, that kidnapped the group. He tried to kill them, and eat them. If Rick trusted him after that, I would lose half my interest in the show. 

      It doesn't matter if you liked the character, his development had run out.

      And from the characters prespective, keeping him alive was insane.

      Plue he had a really annoying voice.

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    • Paulsmithson20 wrote:
      Questlord195 wrote:
      Gareth should have remained alive at least till mid-season finale. I really don't understand promoting him to series regular only to kill him 3 episodes later. I know his comics counterpart lived for a very short time, but I think the Hunters/Terminus could easily be expanded. I think the biggest mistake was to follow comics too closely - there was no way out. And I still can't believe than only 6 Terminus residents made out alive while Rick's group (16 people) escaped unharmed..
      I agree. I mean look at Joe and the Claimers: they were the TV counterparts of the Maurauders (who only appeared in 1 issue of the comics). Joe and the Claimers appeared in 4 episodes (and they were the main antagonists of all of the second half of Season 4) before dying and they were more developed and prominent than the Marauders, so why can't Gareth survive for more than 4 episodes than his comic counterpart Chris did. You are right about the show following too close to the comics. Look at the past seasons: the prisoners at the prison were changed so much in the TV Series compared to the comics, Hershel's family is much smaller in the TV show than in the comics, they killed off characters like Dale, Patricia, Lori, and Axel too soon in the TV show, while their comic counterparts survived for much longer, and they killed off Sophia and Andrea in the show, while their comic counterparts are still alive. My point is that the changes to the show are both good and bad, but the writers should really keep to NOT following the cshoe iomics too much because A) those who have read the comics will pretty much know of what's to come in future episodes of the show, and B) if there are characters in the TV show that have the potential of being as good as or better than their comic counterparts, then it would be a waste to kill them off so soon like in the Comics. I think the show is gradually going downhill, like with other shows in the past such as Lost, 24, Heroes, etc.

      I'm sorry but that's rediculous.

      The show is a lot different and very unpredictable. If you think they are too close together, just get out, becauuse you're talking absolute shit at the moment. 

      The point of killing Dale, Patricia, Lori and Axel "too soon" was to keep the show predictable. Make up your mind, for God's sake, and until you have, please don't post false information.


      And how exactly did Lost go downhill? It got better and better by season.

      Good Lord this person.

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    • Colourful Walker wrote:
      Do you really think Rick would trust Gareth?

      Gareth is a child murdering cannible, that kidnapped the group. He tried to kill them, and eat them. If Rick trusted him after that, I would lose half my interest in the show. 

      It doesn't matter if you liked the character, his development had run out.

      And from the characters prespective, keeping him alive was insane.

      Plue he had a really annoying voice.

      I didn´t want Rick to trust him, but they were travelling to Terminus for a whole second half of S4 and ONE person destroyed it in ONE episode... They should´ve made better storyline with Terminus, I´d be happier if Gareth and Terminusers have stayed there for the whole  first half of S5, with no Dawn and the annoying bitch Beth already dead...

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    • Yeah, I think so too. His death was too early.

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    • No, his comic counterpart lasted only 4 issues and Gareth lasted 4 episodes. So actually Gareth outlived his counterpart, considering at least 2 or 3 issues make up one episode.

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    • As much as I liked the character and actor his stint was sufficient. I prefer having an amazing short plot versus something that's prolonged and drained. He came in with a bang and went out even louder.

      4 Wall & a Roof is my fav episode because it is the only episode that has made me flinched.

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