• KeepOnKeepingOn
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    Kill me.
    02:59, March 18, 2019

    Like, all she had to do was to walk away with Rick and the group. She was an inch away from being free. The fuck, Beth?

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    • Because she is (well, she was) an impulsive idiot?

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    • Maybe she did it for Noah, and for the others at the hospital, even though she knew she would end up dead.

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    • Because she wanted to die, she was a little spoiled bitch who tried to kill herself since season 2. 

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    • ThatGuyWhoWasNotNeganInTVShow wrote: Because she wanted to die, she was a little spoiled bitch who tried to kill herself since season 2. 

      Are you calling her a spoiled bitch for trying to kill herself?

      Also, she probably knew she would die; but she knew Dawn being leader of them would be bad for them. An eye for an eye to benefit the cops/patients.

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    • Plus, Dawn arrogantly telling Noah "I knew you would come back" set her off as well. 

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    • ThatGuyWhoWasNotNeganInTVShow wrote:
      Because she wanted to die, she was a little spoiled bitch who tried to kill herself since season 2. 

      Like Andrea said, she made her choice and she wanted to live. She wanted to commit suicide right up until the point she actually slit her own wrist and tried to go through with it. At that point she no longer wanted to die. After the prison falls, she has more of a will to go on than Daryl. So if that's why she's a "spoiled bitch" your logic is completely flawed.

      She got really ballsy over the past seasons. Firing that gun in the prison after being done with Merle's shit, Daryl being angsty after the prison falls, him not willing to help her, blahblahblah. It continued and eventually I assume she was pissed enough at Dawn's shit. I would be too. The "I knew you'd be back" shit, when Dawn was FOCING Noah to come back to her. Beth was just pissed, and acted without thinking. Whether it was just out of anger and not thinking of the consequences, or if she knew she might die but she wanted to stand up for Noah and the people at the hospital I don't know.

      But what is true and upsetting about her death, was that it didn't need to happen at all. At least Dawn is gone now, so the hospital people don't have to deal with her shit.

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    • I think Beth was going for a fatal blow but Dawn reacted an started to move out of her way.

      Beth I think aimed for the neck, Dawn instincts moved her slightly further back, it was an instinctive shot too, she would have known they would kill her for it if she had time to stop and think.

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    • I think this was one of the most anticlimatic deaths of the whole series. I mean, I liked Beth, but also I can accept a character dying if the death scene is correctly written. But this was like: 'Wait. Why did that happend?'

      Some of you are saying reasons for her death that I share, like she was doing that in order to help Noah, that she understood Dawn's way of seeing things: You kill the ones on you way. But, in the other hand... this looked like a way of force an emotional moment.

      I think is a waste what they did with her and with the hospital people. I mean, this whole storyline and characters were introduced, apparently, only to kill her character, and they could be something else, something better. If they wanted to kill Beth, why not when The Governor attacked? Why not on the Terminus storyline? I keep asking myself why they made her evolve, made her be a skilled survivor, when she did nothing but introduce a group that was there... well, to kill her.

      And, understand me, I'm not offended. I just think this show has a strange way of doing things xD

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    • Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.

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    • emily herself said that it was one of those moment where beth's bravery makes her somewhat overconfident and wants to have more than what she already has. 

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    • Ben Drago1 wrote:

      Also, she probably knew she would die; but she knew Dawn being leader of them would be bad for them. An eye for an eye to benefit the cops/patients.

      Yes! That's exactly what I meant, and what I think that happened.

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    • It was because,she wanted noah free.. That how come she did that.

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    • I don't understand what motivated Beth to act as she did.  Keep in mind that she hid the scissors in her cast before the crew arrived--this was a pre-meditated act!  I believe that Beth died because Emily's career is taking off (singing & appearing on The Following) so the writers had to write her off the show but I wish they gave her a better exit. 

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    • Billthebaldgod wrote:
      I don't understand what motivated Beth to act as she did.  Keep in mind that she hid the scissors in her cast before the crew arrived--this was a pre-meditated act!  I believe that Beth died because Emily's career is taking off (singing & appearing on The Following) so the writers had to write her off the show but I wish they gave her a better exit. 

      Yes her desire to focus on a singing career was why (along with her not being seen around the set) is the key reason she was the favorite to be killed off. However it wasn't a flash in the pan thing they knew this for months so they chose to ensure that the mid-season death shocked. The build up to the hospital was supposed to be leading up to this death

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    • Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.

      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 

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    • CamTheWoot wrote:
      Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.
      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 

      Fuck her, she reminds me of Michelle, the bully girl who killed Omid and threatened Clementine.

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    • Dracula GMAN wrote:
      CamTheWoot wrote:
      Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.
      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 
      Fuck her, she reminds me of Michelle, the bully girl who killed Omid and threatened Clementine.

      Yes, I know who Michelle is. Honestly, I can't see the resemblance. 

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    • CamTheWoot wrote:
      Dracula GMAN wrote:
      CamTheWoot wrote:
      Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.
      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 
      Fuck her, she reminds me of Michelle, the bully girl who killed Omid and threatened Clementine.
      Yes, I know who Michelle is. Honestly, I can't see the resemblance. 

      Well, both killed someone I care about by "mistake" and were killed right after that. Thanks to Daryl, she deserved what she got.

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    • Probably the dumbest, self-induced death since Andrea's. I'm not gonna miss her.

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    • Dracula GMAN wrote:
      CamTheWoot wrote:
      Dracula GMAN wrote:
      CamTheWoot wrote:
      Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.
      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 
      Fuck her, she reminds me of Michelle, the bully girl who killed Omid and threatened Clementine.
      Yes, I know who Michelle is. Honestly, I can't see the resemblance. 
      Well, both killed someone I care about by "mistake" and were killed right after that. Thanks to Daryl, she deserved what she got.

      Yes, I suppose so. However, by contrast; in terms of personality they're not even slightly similar. Judging by the short time we spent with Michelle anyway.

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    • Relativus wrote:
      Probably the dumbest, self-induced death since Andrea's. I'm not gonna miss her.

      Heartless!!!!!

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    • Dracula GMAN wrote:
      Relativus wrote:
      Probably the dumbest, self-induced death since Andrea's. I'm not gonna miss her.
      Heartless!!!!!

      Hey, darwinism. If you can't make the right choices to survive and adapt, then you probably didn't deserve to live in the first place.

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    • Relativus wrote:
      Dracula GMAN wrote:
      Relativus wrote:
      Probably the dumbest, self-induced death since Andrea's. I'm not gonna miss her.
      Heartless!!!!!
      Hey, darwinism. If you can't make the right choices to survive and adapt, then you probably didn't deserve to live in the first place.

      "quiet"

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    • I hate the way they killed her character too, but it kinda made sense to me. The "I get it now" of Beth meant to me that she understood the way it works in there, the way they use people. As someone said, it's an eye for an eye, but also the fact that Dawn used Beth to killed "bad" cops, saying it was okay because the world wouldn't miss them. Beth killed the last bad cop of the batch, Dawn who was going down, and didn't want to just walk away on Noah too. The remaining people are supposedly good cops, they stopped the fire too.

      (The scissor was in case it went bad during the exchange I think, having the least to protect herself.)

      Though, I don't understand, it was so stupid of her. It could have gone so wrong. Shots open, Rick and the group could have lost people.

      And her death is the starting point of other struggles : Daryl trying to overcome this, Maggie too (though it didn't seemed like she cared for more than half of the season).

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    • Because she loves Noah enough to sacrifice herself (hell, I expected Carol to take her place, sorry that's just fishy being messed up)

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    • The worst part of Beth's death was watching Maggie and Daryl cry that she was dead.

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    • RobotChicken395 wrote:
      The worst part of Beth's death was watching Maggie and Daryl cry that she was dead.

      Ikr

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    • Beth's death was the first time it made me cry, and then again with the Talking Dead In Memoriam montage, and I think she knowingly sacrificed herself to free Noah

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    • Right

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    • Anari07 wrote:
      I hate the way they killed her character too, but it kinda made sense to me. The "I get it now" of Beth meant to me that she understood the way it works in there, the way they use people. As someone said, it's an eye for an eye, but also the fact that Dawn used Beth to killed "bad" cops, saying it was okay because the world wouldn't miss them. Beth killed the last bad cop of the batch, Dawn who was going down, and didn't want to just walk away on Noah too. The remaining people are supposedly good cops, they stopped the fire too.

      (The scissor was in case it went bad during the exchange I think, having the least to protect herself.)

      Though, I don't understand, it was so stupid of her, it could have gone so wrong, shots open, Rick and the group could have lost people.

      And her death is the starting point of other struggles : Daryl trying to overcome this, Magie too (though it didn't seemed like she cared for more than half of the season).

      I agree a lot with your theory.

      But with the stupidity of it part, I only half agree.

      While yea, it was very stupid as she could have done it some other way without killing herself and it COULD have ended in a shootout; I feel like Beth was there enough to learn who was good and who was bad.

      I think she MIGHT have known they were good cops, and would just end this.

      ...

      Or she could have been stupid and was like "I don't care about consequences weee"

      Either or. lol.


      Also, anyone notice how besides like, asking ONCE, Maggie never cares about Beth...until she dies.

      Like, what? She goes basically an entire season (Second half of season 4, first half of season 5) without wanting to look for Beth, make sure she is STILL alive, etc. Instead she just is apathetic and unhelpful in helping Beth. Oh but the second Beth is dead, she has a breakdown and cries. Shoulda shown some of that emotion'a bit quicker, Maggie.

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    • If I were Beth I would do the same thing

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    • I already miss Bob Stookey, now Beth? :(

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    • First we lost Bob and now Beth.

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    • if Maggie had shown up sooner she could of stopped Beth from doing what she did.

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    • RobotChicken395 wrote:
      if Maggie had shown up sooner she could of stopped Beth from doing what she did.

      Hell yeah.

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    • 1. Anybody think about what could have happened if Beth hadn't stabbed Dawn?  Rick could have started a shoot-out anyway, something that Beth's action happened to avoid...

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      3. Don't start hating on Maggie 'because she hasn't mentioned Beth on camera this season'.  Just because people aren't shown going to the bathroom on camera doesn't mean that they don't go to the bathroom.  More importantly, Maggie's main attention has been focused on other things...she is married now and is trying to place Glenn first.  No one will string Maggie up for Beth's death worse than Maggie herself.

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    • Kspieler wrote:

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      I think she was saying goodbye, I didnt notice this until the Talking Dead in Memoriam montage, but Beth was teary eyed and looked like she had accepted her death when hugging Noah and talking with Dawn

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    • RobZ92 wrote:
      Kspieler wrote:

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      I think she was saying goodbye, I didnt notice this until the Talking Dead in Memoriam montage, but Beth was teary eyed and looked like she had accepted her death when hugging Noah and talking with Dawn

      Why did she want to die? She still had Maggie, now she made her sister upset.

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    • Kspieler wrote:

      3. Don't start hating on Maggie 'because she hasn't mentioned Beth on camera this season'.  Just because people aren't shown going to the bathroom on camera doesn't mean that they don't go to the bathroom.  More importantly, Maggie's main attention has been focused on other things...she is married now and is trying to place Glenn first.  No one will string Maggie up for Beth's death worse than Maggie herself.

      1. I hardly think any of us are 'hating', just confused/bothered by her lack of care for Beth but obsession for Glenn.

      2. Maybe they didn't show her, but you'd think all those times she's on camera and talking about her objective (season 4), you'd think she'd atleast MEANTION Beth. But no, she only mentions Glenn.

      3. She may be focused on other things such as finding Glenn, that's one thing. But even after the calm peroid; when she has Glenn and it would be fairly safe to go look for Beth what happens? Nothing. If she had even mentioned Beth more than asking Daryl if she was alive, I'm sure a lot of people would stop complaining.

      Maggie used to be independant and fairly caring, now she's dependant and uncaring.

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    • Dracula GMAN wrote:
      RobZ92 wrote:
      Kspieler wrote:

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      I think she was saying goodbye, I didnt notice this until the Talking Dead in Memoriam montage, but Beth was teary eyed and looked like she had accepted her death when hugging Noah and talking with Dawn
      Why did she want to die? She still had Maggie, now she made her sister upset.

      i don't think she wanted to die, she was sick of Dawn bullcrap and wanted to put an end to it. Also, she didn't know Maggie was still alive, the prison was the last time she saw Maggie.

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    • RobotChicken395 wrote:
      Dracula GMAN wrote:
      RobZ92 wrote:
      Kspieler wrote:

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      I think she was saying goodbye, I didnt notice this until the Talking Dead in Memoriam montage, but Beth was teary eyed and looked like she had accepted her death when hugging Noah and talking with Dawn
      Why did she want to die? She still had Maggie, now she made her sister upset.
      i don't think she wanted to die, she was sick of Dawn bullcrap and wanted to put an end to it. Also, she didn't know Maggie was still alive, the prison was the last time she saw Maggie.

      I guess Maggie and Beth are both stupids as they forgot each other. Wierd

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    • I wish Rick or Daryl would of just shot Dawn before Beth had to go and stab Dawn.

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    • RobZ92 wrote:
      Beth's death was the first time it made me cry, and then again with the Talking Dead In Memoriam montage, and I think she knowingly sacrificed herself to free Noah

      it was pretty heartbreaking

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    • I guess she got what she(Beth) wanted :,(

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    • FishyTicTacs wrote:
      I guess she got what she(Beth) wanted :,(

      again she didn't want to die she was pissed at Dawn and she made an action before thinking 

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    • I wonder how Carl will take it because he was really close with Beth and he had a little crush on her in S3

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    • It is funny how when I agree with Beth haters Beth lover hate me, but when I agree with Beth lovers Beth haters hate me! Make up your Mind! Who should I side with?

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    • Are you people also racist? Noah is better with a group than being holed up in one place that could fall! Show some sense :/

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    • FishyTicTacs wrote:
      It is funny how when I agree with Beth haters Beth lover hate me, but when I agree with Beth lovers Beth haters hate me! Make up your Mind! Who should I side with?

      Beth lovers, of course.

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    • Damn Straight Bro!

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    • It's not surprizing that people are angry at Beth or Maggie for some of their unexplained actions, like Beth stabbing Dawn or Maggie not mentioning Beth more.

      The producers' ideas to make these characters do these actions have been even more unfathomable for me until I read a recent interview with Scott Gimple.  It's tangible that the way Maggie is processing her grief is by not speaking about it.  Again, she and the others are going to have a lot more grief and regret when the storyline resumes.

      As per Beth and Dawn, I still think that they are perfect arch-rivals (Beth representing an uncompromising rightgeousness, while Dawn has compromised most of her previous standards away).  Dawn has justified abuse and her leadership over the police (when 'there are no real police anymore') by saying it's necessary for survival or that it's the best good, or because it's the way to stay strong.  Beth may not have the tools to verbally counter all these arguments, but Beth knows what's right and she has a pair of scissors.

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    • Damn. I wanted Dawn dead since she first appear. She was a colossal bitch. I'm sad Beth died. She was one of the few genuinely good people left. For about a half an hour after the show I was just sitting there eyes wide open as well as my mouth. This was my first live viewing of an episode and first view of a major death I didn't know was going to happen. I was shocked as were my friends. I almost cried seeing Daryl and Maggie lose it. The scene of Daryl carrying out her body was just heartbreaking. RIP Beth is all I have to say I guess.

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    • I find it highly ironic that Beth stabbed Dawn, despite the fact that she helped her by pushing O'Donnell down the shaft and Dawn thanked her.

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    • Gbsim52 wrote:
      Damn. I wanted Dawn dead since she first appear. She was a colossal bitch. I'm sad Beth died. She was one of the few genuinely good people left. For about a half an hour after the show I was just sitting there eyes wide open as well as my mouth. This was my first live viewing of an episode and first view of a major death I didn't know was going to happen. I was shocked as were my friends. I almost cried seeing Daryl and Maggie lose it. The scene of Daryl carrying out her body was just heartbreaking. RIP Beth is all I have to say I guess.

      When Beth died, I was standing with my eyes and my mouth open for 10 min. I was like WTF. And I really liked how Daryl was nervous and killed Dawn. I feel bad for Daryl and Maggie. Daryl became close to her and Maggie never saw her sister again after the prison attack. Ironiclly, Maggie and Beth never mentioned about what happened to each other. Wierd.

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    • Kspieler wrote:

      ....  "Beth may not have the tools to verbally counter all these arguments, but Beth knows what's right and she has a pair of scissors."

      That puts it pretty well :)

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    • ATP2555 II wrote:
      I find it highly ironic that Beth stabbed Dawn, despite the fact that she helped her by pushing Bob down the shaft and Dawn thanked her.

      Bob was the one Rick shot in the first scene. It was O'Donnell Beth pushed down the shaft.

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    • First, get a clear view of the scene's setup. Dawn asking for Noah, had nothing to do with Noah! 

      Noah was returning to a beating. Dawn knew that Noah would rather get beaten than have a gunfight for his sake. So, he willingly came back, to prevent that gunfight. Dawn also knew that Beth would not allow Noah to make that sacrifice, so SHE would voluntarily come back. 

      Dawn's last little speech wasn't meant for Noah, it was meant for Beth! 

      Once Beth realized that Dawn had used Noah in order to coerce her into voluntarily coming back, she understood fully how things were there. 

      She decided to challenge Dawns authority. Publicly. Beth put Dawn in a position where she either had to react strongly, protecting her image but putting the community in danger; or react weakly and invite mutiny. 

      Dawn was compelled to protect her image, and immediately realized she had put her entire community at unnecessary risk - making her leadership a failure.

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    • FishyTicTacs wrote:
      Are you people also racist? Noah is better with a group than being holed up in one place that could fall! Show some sense :/

      > Questioning someone's actions

      > Giving theories on why a character did what

      > Never mentioning race

      > Not really mentionining Noah that much

      Oh we're so racist. 

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    • Why didn't just the cops who kill dawn? did it need beth to die for achieving dawn death? the cops or maybe rick's group could've kill it, but why Beth?? She's from season 2, she will be sooo remembered. Bob just got a little of mourns, but she gets a lot of it.

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    • ATP2555 II wrote:
      I find it highly ironic that Beth stabbed Dawn, despite the fact that she helped her by pushing [O'Donnell...] down the shaft and Dawn thanked her.

      Definietly ironic that Beth saved Dawn from O'Donnell then triggered Dawn's death later (and at the expense of Beth's own life).

      Still, at the time of the fight between Dawn and O'Donnell, Beth may not have yet resolved that she needed to personally get rid of Dawn...in the scene by Carol's bedside, Beth says "she never killed anyone before".  Beth's problems were always solvable by other means other than her directly killing someone.

      At the time she killed O'Donnel, Beth's choice was to help bad cop or worse cop.  If she had done nothing, O'Donnell may have killed Beth after he had killed Dawn.  It also would make sense for Beth to use this event of saving herself from O'Donnell to then figure out that Dawn was only saving herself (and not protecting Beth) when Dawn covered up Gorman's death.

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    • Oh, sorry. I had O'Donnell confused with Bob Lamson.

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    • i wish they would pull some Kill Bill coma stuff on us to keep Beth on the show even though I know it won't happen.

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    • Beth's death seemed pretty forced and stupid; it feels like the writers wanted a dramatic moment and railroaded a character into a dramatic death, and that's a huge turn-off.

      You might say "Oh but no, she was trying to save Noah" to which I would reply Rick was already trying to save Noah, and Beth stopped him. Dawn might not have given Noah up in the end, but that wouldn't stop Beth from pursuading the group to return and "liberate" the people in the hospital later on. The reason this makes infinitely more sense is because a bloodbath would almost certainly ensue once people started getting shot - like Beth getting plugged followed by Dawn. Beth, who I assume is not a complete moron, would have realized it was EXTREMELY risky to start shit in the middle of a hostage exchange. The only reason both sides didn't immediately start lighting each other up is again author intervention. In any other show, any other reality, you see your boss/dear friend get shot by the opposing side, and you're not going to sit pretty and assume the rival group won't fire again. That sort of faith in humanity and blind optimism is more at home in people who don't last long in the apocalypse, as the show repeatedly tells us.

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    • Does anyone know if Beth's character (if there even was one) in the comic book series died in a similar senario?

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    • Broseph McJoseph wrote:
      Does anyone know if Beth's character (if there even was one) in the comic book series died in a similar senario?

      Beth Greene only exists in the TV show.  In the comic, Hershal has 3 sons (Shawn, Arnold, and Billy) and 3 daughters besides Maggie (Lacey, Rachel, and Susie).  Beth has no comic counterpoint, as no one is abducted or needs rescuing from Grady Memorial Hospital. 

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    • I think that Maggie didn't mention Beth more was because Daryl made it seem like there was no hope for Beth. At the start of the season when Daryl said "she's just... gone" makes it sound like any attempt to find her would be futile and she's probably dead. Maggie probably kept quiet after that to focus on the mission to get Eugene to Washington until it turned out he lied and they headed back to the church where she found out about Beth. I think if Daryl had of said "she was kidnapped in a car with a white cross on the back" then Maggie would have been more like "we've got to find Beth!" but we really don't know what happens with the characters 24/7 and who says what so that's my take on Maggie's silence.

      As for Beth stabbing Dawn, I agree with the idea that she knew the other cops were good so they wouldn't have started a shootout if she succeeded in killing Dawn because it was mentioned earlier that the other cops wanted Dawn out, so it would have been a Wizard of Oz moment when Dorothy killed the Wicked Witch of the West. Only Beth's attempt was just not good enough which symbolised that even though she grew into a true survivor, she wasn't capable of taking a human life as there was still good in her. She wouldn't have even attempted it if she thought for a second that it would endanger her friends. I mean, when Beth stabs Dawn, none of the cops pull a gun out on her straight away. It's almost like they didn't really care.

      I'm sad Beth died as I really wanted to see her reunite with Maggie but I'm glad she got some time to grow this season and I will miss her. Also, I kind of felt a little sorry for Dawn in the end because it was an accident and she really was trying (in her own twisted way) to keep things in order.

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    • Dracula GMAN wrote:
      RobZ92 wrote:
      Kspieler wrote:

      2. Why did Beth hug Noah?  Was she saying goodbye?  Was she trying to convince him to change his mind and stay with the group?  Was she positioning herself close enough to Dawn to strike her?

      I think she was saying goodbye, I didnt notice this until the Talking Dead in Memoriam montage, but Beth was teary eyed and looked like she had accepted her death when hugging Noah and talking with Dawn
      Why did she want to die? She still had Maggie, now she made her sister upset.

      As I say, she sacrificed hersels so Noah could live, I think is one of the few TWD characters who would sacrifice herself to let others live

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    • Broseph McJoseph wrote:
      Does anyone know if Beth's character (if there even was one) in the comic book series died in a similar senario?

      The closest character to Beth were Maggie's twins sisters who were beheaded at the prison by a serial killer

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    • The twins were a lot younger than Beth Greene, I don't think you can really say she took their place in the story.

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    • MikeLacey wrote:
      The twins were a lot younger than Beth Greene, I don't think you can really say she took their place in the story.

      The twins were definitely adapted in the show in the form of Karen and David.

      I'd say Beth stabbing Dawn was a mix of overconfidence and sacrifice: overconfidence because she's now confronting Dawn that she's unraveling, and sacrifice because if she didn't stab Dawn, Noah wouldn't have gotten away.

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    • Jal11497 wrote:

      The twins were definitely adapted in the show in the form of Karen and David.

      I'd like to hear more evidence to the assertion that the Greene Twins of the comic (Rachel and Susie) are adapted to be Karen and David in the TV show...  The only similarity I see so far is that all of their deaths occurred in the prison...


      Relationship/Background:

      Rachel and Susie are both Hershel's daughters.

      Karen is a Woodbury survivor and Tyrese's girlfriend. David is a rescue from near Decatur.


      Death Method and Reason:

      Rachel and Susie get killed in the prison's barber shop.  They are viciously beheaded.by a prison inmate who serial kills females.  They are likely conscious at the time of their deaths, and one probably watches the other die.

      Karen and David each get killed separately while sleeping in quarentine cells.  They are stabbed in the head during their sleep by Carol Peletier to release them from the pain of the sickness and their corpses are burnt to prevent the sickness from spreading to the rest of the survivors.

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    • Maybe Beth didn't want to go with the group and was simply trying to hand Dawn the scisscors. 

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    • Dawn was the one who killed their groups former leader Cpt. Hansen for what she described as "loosing his way " and so took control of the group and I guess Beth believed that Dawn had now also lost her way judging by the fact that she allowed rapes and beatings by her officers to go unchecked just to keep their support. When she "Beth" said "I get it now" she probably imo meant that in order to change things there at the hospital she had to take out the top dog I suppose she was trying to kill Dawn and not just stab her in the shoulder as that would have been pointless somehow it went wrong and she died for that mistake.

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    • This was such a beautiful storyline. When beth said i "get it now" I didnt know what the hell she was talking about. But when I watched it again, I got it too. Not going to lie. I got a little choked up. The whole reason for her existence in the walking dead was to bring Rick back to redemption. That episode Rick was Walter Whiting and breaking bad ("holla at me AMC"). If you remember earlier in the episode, Rick unnecessarily killed that cop. This whole 5th season Rick is questioning his faith. You see this when in earlier episodes he kept fighting with the priest which represents his faith. Now when he sees beth's act of courage which she sacrificed her life so Dawn would be killed and the ideology of Rick (which is good) would dominate both groups. Because this is the moment Rick is inspired by the courage of beth (who would have though beth's act of courage would inspire the great leader Rick to bring him back to the good side. That's why when he saw her sacrifice, he remembered why he needed to keep the faith and unlike Daryl (Who represented judgement in that scene) Rick didnt retaliate, he sacrificed his trust in the bad nature which seems easier to survive by, and turned back to trusting in his faith in the goodness of humanity. This was a very powerful moment in the series.

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    • what I truly feel about this God damned episode is how amazed and relieved I am after I truly understand what it was all about. Why Beth died? It hurts at the first time, I almost even cry when I saw Maggie down and crying upon her, and it was unbelievable. But then I realize something that Beth might have did something that should've be done and it counts a lot. She save a lot of people in that hospital, she gave them freedom from Dawn's dominance and she also might knew if she stabbed Dawn, she'll be killed. Im just glad that Daryl had fulfilled her wish by shot her, and Beth should've known that. And that's why Rick asked for those who want to join his group, because he knew what Beth wants. Beth was a hero in her on way. It makes me really love this moment, probably the best episode of TWD.

      For those who hates this episode, watch again and also understand what Beth's death meaning is. By that, she'll rest in peace. Because I know how big the mourn is, but we have to let it go, bcoz this isn't American Horror Story when somebody died, she can rise again from the death. But, there will be no Beth anymore and keep love TWD until the end.

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    • Kairi55555 wrote:
      what I truly feel about this God damned episode is how amazed and relieved I am after I truly understand what it was all about. Why Beth died? It hurts at the first time, I almost even cry when I saw Maggie down and crying upon her, and it was unbelievable. But then I realize something that Beth might have did something that should've be done and it counts a lot. She save a lot of people in that hospital, she gave them freedom from Dawn's dominance and she also might knew if she stabbed Dawn, she'll be killed. Im just glad that Daryl had fulfilled her wish by shot her, and Beth should've known that. And that's why Rick asked for those who want to join his group, because he knew what Beth wants. Beth was a hero in her on way. It makes me really love this moment, probably the best episode of TWD.

      For those who hates this episode, watch again and also understand what Beth's death meaning is. By that, she'll rest in peace. Because I know how big the mourn is, but we have to let it go, bcoz this isn't American Horror Story when somebody died, she can rise again from the death. But, there will be no Beth anymore and keep love TWD until the end.

      Why didn't she just stab Dawn in the head? She could've been killed easily.

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    • The only reason she had to die was the need for  a major character death in the kid season finale. Really sloppy writing. 

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    • I think her death was a waste and episode eight was the weakest of all of the mid break finales! The only redeeming part of the show were the final scenes of Morgan at the church close on Rick's heels if only he knew...

      JB

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    • Beth had a serious amount of character development througout seasons 4 & 5, beoming a stronger character than we had seen previously. I think her stabbing Dawn was supposed to show how far she had come as a character without having her group with her. I think it worked and reflecting back on it I think that her death was fitting.

      I really hated Dawn- she was a weak character in my eyes because she couldn't control her "subordinate" officers and made calls that made no sense. For example letting one of her officers charge a DVD player and using power for her exercise bike yet she moaned about using energy to keep people alive- seriously?! Also letting her officers pester female (and I'm sure a few male) patients for "favours" to keep the place running smoothly? Not exactly a hallmark of a great leader! Beth knew this and called her out on it. Admittedly Dawn helped Carol after this, but she did nothing to resolve the overall situation- watching as her officers pushed around the patients and doing nothing to stop it.

      Beth also probably realised that Dawn wasn't emotionally stable enough to be in charge, given her tendency to lash out at people and her belief that people were coming to help, and knew that something had to be done. Beth cared about the patients and if they couldn't come with their group she probably wanted to make sure they wouldn't have to continue to live under Dawn's influence. I also have no doubt that Dawn wasn't going to let the group go as easily as she made out she was going to, and that Beth knew this also.

      Realising she had an oppertunity to get rid of Dawn, who would have kept scooping people up and essentially holding them captive and probably would have had the group followed, Beth decided to do something. The fact that Dawn changed the terms of the exchange after it had already taken place was a good indicator that she was up to no good and couldn't be trusted to keep her word.

      Furthermore, and this is that part that annoyed me- after manipulating the situation just to get Noah back (was it really worth putting her life and those of her officers at risk just to get back someone who in her eyes was a drain on resources?) in a way that left Noah no choice but to return she felt the need to gloat about it! I think at this point Beth truly realised that Dawn was cruel and manipulative and that something drastic had to be done. I think it was her relationship with Noah and Dawn's dig at him that spurred her into action. Noah had led Rick and the group to her and had been a good friend- and we all know that Beth is nothing if not a loyal friend. Seeing him forced into returning like that after being free probably pushed her anger towards Dawn over the edge.

      The only reason I think she failed in her attempt is because Dawn shifted her position slightly- had she not reacted that quickly I think Beth would have succeeded, leaving the group free to leave with Noah and the remaining officers to make the hospital a more stable place.

      I think what Beth did was brave, and whilst I would have liked to have seen more of her journey, I think that her death will be a game changer for the rest of the group. R.I.P Beth.

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    • Why was Noah even at the exchange?  Noah and the two cops should have known Dawn would go batshixt crazy when she saw him.  Even Rick should have known bringing the escaped 'traitor' Noah back to the woman he'd escaped from was a terrible idea.

      Noah and Sasha could have stayed behind at the warehouse during the exchange. 

      Even if Dawn asks where Noah is, the two cops could've said he got killed by whatever reason.  Dawn thinks Noah is dead, the exchange goes off without a hitch and everyone walks out alive. 

      Forget Dawn and the hospital.  Let them fend for themselves and protect your own group.

      Piss poor writing IMO.  The show wasted a lot of time making a less than average character into a pseudo heroine for the sole reason of making her exodus from the show more dramatic. 

      The loyal fans of this show deserve better storylines and better writing than what is being delivered.

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    • JohnnyWalkerDead wrote:
      Why was Noah even at the exchange?  Noah and the two cops should have known Dawn would go batshixt crazy when she saw him.  Even Rick should have known bringing the escaped 'traitor' Noah back to the woman he'd escaped from was a terrible idea.

      Noah and Sasha could have stayed behind at the warehouse during the exchange. 

      Even if Dawn asks where Noah is, the two cops could've said he got killed by whatever reason.  Dawn thinks Noah is dead, the exchange goes off without a hitch and everyone walks out alive. 

      Forget Dawn and the hospital.  Let them fend for themselves and protect your own group.

      Piss poor writing IMO.  The show wasted a lot of time making a less than average character into a pseudo heroine for the sole reason of making her exodus from the show more dramatic. 

      The loyal fans of this show deserve better storylines and better writing than what is being delivered.

      I agree Beth died because of Noah. I don't know why Noah was even there. If that was me and I got away from tht hospital like hell if I would go back there.

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    • Beth was retarded lol.

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    • KingTrickyHD wrote:
      Beth was retarded lol.

      For doing what she did yes that was very stupid and retarded. She had the chance to see her sister and be with Daryl but she blew it. Literally!

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    • why did she stabbed her? Because she was STUPID FUCKING BITCH! (I´m pointing at both of them....)

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    • TheEightFoldPath wrote:
      Maybe Beth didn't want to go with the group and was simply trying to hand Dawn the scisscors. 

      umg yah liek totaly d0d god poynt

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    • Wanna know the last thing that went throught Beth's mind?















      The bullet. -cries-

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    • Good god...

      If anyone wants an actual explanation regarding the events surrounding this question, see here: http://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/27833/what-does-beth-mean-when-she-says-i-get-it-now

      Don't expect any intelligent conversations here, this particular avenue of the internet consists of nothing more than a bunch of trolls feeding each other ignorant drivel.

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    • Her death was only done for shock value. Honestly, she was just starting to develop and her death was a waste.

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    • IT WAS SUICIDE SHE MEANT TO GET HERSELF KILLED she commited suicide :(

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    • YAGsTheWalkingDead wrote:
      IT WAS SUICIDE SHE MEANT TO GET HERSELF KILLED she commited suicide :(

      That wasn't even remotely suicide.

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    • YAGsTheWalkingDead wrote: IT WAS SUICIDE SHE MEANT TO GET HERSELF KILLED she commited suicide :(

      lol

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    • lol? whats so funny?

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    • YAGsTheWalkingDead wrote: lol? whats so funny?

      u funnie

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    • LOL

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    • RobotChicken395 wrote: I wonder how Carl will take it because he was really close with Beth and he had a little crush on her in S3

      Before the second half of the season started back I was wondering the same thing if Carl was going to take Beth's death hard but it never did really show. I don't recall if Carl even mentioned Beth.

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    • Dawn was nice at heart but had to be tough around the other corrupt officers or she would lose the little control she had and the place would turn into a total hell hole. Beth wasnt totally weak but she was stupid and impulsive. Beth would have died sooner or later but Dawn could have served a real purpose no matter who she went with, if she wasnt killed.

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    • You see everyone's reaction?

      THAT is why things went down the way they did.

      That is the theme of the show: Disappointment, Horror, Depression

      They have to show more fucked up shit than good things, because shits fucked up; that is the theme of this show

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    • I miss Beth so much :(

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    • That's what make this show so good.. unpredictable; the only point is shits happen.. pure gold

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    • It looked like a calculated sacrifice to me.

      Beth knew, or at least believed, that Dawn was too manipulative for anyone's good.  She chose to sacrifice herself in order to protect not only Noah, but also the likely future victims of Dawn.

      As an added bonus, the incident underscores the surviving Gradys people of how dangerous it is for them to cross each other quite so often.

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    • Also, Beth's death was to save Noah. That did nothing, cause then he got eaten alive a few episodes later.

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    • Beth did what she did because the writers needed a way for her to die, no matter how stupid the decision was. If it was reality, no one would go up to someone that is armed with a gun or with any other weapon or at all really and stab them in the shoulder. They killed her off because they wanted Maggie to become like she was in the comics and become the very last Greene family member. It was the stupidest decision the show has made yet to kill off Beth, espcially in that way.

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    • HorrorFan01 wrote:
      Plus, Dawn arrogantly telling Noah "I knew you would come back" set her off as well. 

      Don't forget it was a calculated attack, she anticipated she would need the scissors for what she was going to do.

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    • CamTheWoot wrote:

      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 

      I agree

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    • MrPieguy81 wrote:
      Wanna know the last thing that went throught Beth's mind?


      The bullet. -cries-

      lol

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    • it's easy, because the director want it.

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    • Rezhaherdiyawan wrote: it's easy, because the director want it.

      That's not the point.

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    • First off: >thread revived

      Second of all, GOOD RIDDANCE. Beth was the worst character ever.

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    • There are no laws to stop Beth. Wouldn’t you want to kill Dawn?

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    • because she realized that "she gets it now"

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    • CamTheWoot wrote:
      Consumerism wrote:
      Dawn is a bitch, not Beth. Good on her for killing that stupid cow.
      Honestly, from what we've seen; Dawn is one of the most intelligent characters in the show. And when you look over her actions, everything she did was entirely justifiable. 

      I call bullshit. Dawn should have had Gorman exiled or executed. 

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    • Beth just wanted to show everything Dawn has claimed does come back to her. A stolen scissor from her desk and beth coming back for her ass. "...the day's gonna come when you need backup and you don't have it. And what comes next? Everybody goes down." Guess this was the day. Except nobody else went down.

      Sadly it was the worst time for Beth to pull something like that, as if the show doesn't want to break it's string of bloody deals & exchanges with a peaceful one.

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    • Activating closing dead thread powers.

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