• When I watched the finale and my dad was with me. Until it got close to the end I saw Maggie talk to Jesus and I saw Jesus nodding and smirking I'm like, "this can't be good". Then, Daryl cones out "I will". Then, my dad told me that Maggie, Jesus, and Daryl are going to plan on killing Rick, Michonne, and Negan. And I was literally crying that Daryl will have to become a villain.

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    • I think they were just referring to Negan.

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    • I think what she was saying was that there probably going to kill Negan when Rick and Michonne don't realize it.

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    • Well my dad told me they are also going after Rick and Michonne too.

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    • Anime Fan Girl and Loves Gohan wrote: Well my dad told me they are also going after Rick and Michonne too.

      Well you probably miss-understood what your Dad was telling you!

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    • Sheesh you don't have too be so rude about my dad Mitt Campbell. My dad is a great man and what he says is true, sometimes. But Maggie did say Rick and Michonne even I heard it. So you have to see until season 9.

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    • Anime Fan Girl and Loves Gohan wrote: Sheesh you don't have too be so rude about my dad Mitt Campbell. My dad is a great man and what he says is true, sometimes. But Maggie did say Rick and Michonne even I heard it. So you have to see until season 9.

      I wasn't being rude. And im pretty sure they wouldn't betray Rick and Michonne. And i think they should have just killed Negan, instead of putting him in a cell!

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    • Then, how come Maggie says, "Rick was wrong to do what he did, Michonne, too. So we're gonna bide our time, wait for our moment, and then, we show them. "Them" means Rick, Michonne, and Negan.

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    • Anime Fan Girl and Loves Gohan wrote: Then, how come Maggie says, "Rick was wrong to do what he did, Michonne, too. So we're gonna bide our time, wait for our moment, and then, we show them. "Them" means Rick, Michonne, and Negan.

      She was probably saying that Rick and Michonne shouldn't have stopped Maggie!

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    • well something is weird...... why are they going to such efforts to fortify themselves just to kill negan, im pretty sure its easier than that........ so she wants revenge against rick and michonne for not letting her kill negan.....

      maggie is a bitch anyway....... always has been always will be.... daryl is becoming evil to no suprise......

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    • LastofUsInfected wrote: well something is weird...... why are they going to such efforts to fortify themselves just to kill negan, im pretty sure its easier than that........ so she wants revenge against rick and michonne for not letting her kill negan.....

      maggie is a bitch anyway....... always has been always will be.... daryl is becoming evil to no suprise......

      I'm sure they will not betray Rick and Michonne, they just didn't agree with the decision in letting Negan live instead of killing him. So they will probably kill him behind there backs.

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    • yeah your probably right.... i don't see maggie forgiving negan like she does in the comics but you never know i guess

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    • LastofUsInfected wrote: yeah your probably right.... i don't see maggie forgiving negan like she does in the comics but you never know i guess

      Yeah probably. Do you really think Daryl, Maggie, and Jesus would betray Rick?

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    • daryl and maggie yes but jesus? seems out of character considering he doesn't want to kill the Saviors.... but that doesn't mean Negan.... maybe hes always wanted him to die..... it's gonna be some kinda of civil war shit and then it will be forgotten when the whisperers come in....

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    • LastofUsInfected wrote: daryl and maggie yes but jesus? seems out of character considering he doesn't want to kill the Saviors.... but that doesn't mean Negan.... maybe hes always wanted him to die..... it's gonna be some kinda of civil war shit and then it will be forgotten when the whisperers come in....

      Yeah. Maybe

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    • If Daryl let Dwight live, there's no way in hell he would kill Rick willingly. Same goes for Michonne.

      Maggie is in a complicated state right now, but she knows Glenn wouldn't be able to look at her the same way if she killed Rick or Michonne. She might think she can, but she'd break down.

      And Jesus? Pffft. If anybody tells Rick what Maggie is planning, it'll be Jesus. Could Jesus live with Negan dying? I'm sure he'd easily move past it. But he of all people doesn't want to mess up what they've just began to build. 

      So whatever they're planning, Jesus will flip, followed by Daryl (not for Negan's sake obviously), and Maggie will find she's all on her own. I'm sure she'll have some talks with Jesus, Rick, possibly Alden, and she'll readjust again.

      Whatever arc is going on with them is a legitimate danger, yes, but that arc will coexist with another threat, whether it has something to do with Jadis's unexplored associates in the helicopter, Whisperers, Commonwealth Douchebags, or whatever Heath stumbles out of the woods with. 

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    • Just because your daddy says something it doesn't mean he's right you idiot. lmao

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    • HAHAHAHAHA. New Beggnng btches so stop with absurds theories.

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    • They're not going to be villains. I understand Maggie, she wants Negan dead because he killed Glenn. Daryl is a stupid idiot, so doing idiotic things is nothing new for him. But Jesus? This seems way out of his character. He always seemed like the good guy, not killing the Saviors, giving Morgan his speech etc. Sure, he may have played along, just not to piss Maggie off, but that's still out of his character. I hope they won't ruin him. However, Maggie's leadership will be very different from Rick's from now on, they will have conflicts, but Maggie isn't going to be the villain. She will kill Gregory for trying to kill her, that will piss Rick off, but that's all. They will find common ground.

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    • Okay do you guys watch the Talking dead. Because the producer said "yeah I can see that happen".

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    • Kyrex90 I am no idiot. My dad is not an idiot. He knows what he saying sometimes. But don't ever call me an idiot. I seen the finale of the walking dead. And I knew what Maggie says. And me and my dad said she will be the villain even the producer said the same thing from the talking dead.

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    • Yeah forget Daryl being a villain. Because me and my dad believe that he been faking it to say yeah, we will. So he can stick up for Rick. That what we think but we're not sure.

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    • I seems like Maggie will be taking Sherry's place as an antagonist. She and Daryl are just blinded by their hate. But if Maggie doesn't overcome this, she'll end up having her neck broken.  With Daryl it feels like i'm watching WWF with him turning to one of the nicest characters in a badass way to being a heel. He's been like this since the war started, so I'm not surprised that he's aligning himself with Maggie.  Jeseus siding with Maggie feels out of place though. I can only assume that he's just going along and will inform Rick of Maggie's rebellion.

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    • LOL, the Daryl fandom will not stand for him becoming a villain who must be killed off. There was definitely some tension between him and Rick this season, which should have come to a head when the Saviors ended up escaping and bombing Alexandria because he decided to go against the plan. However that ended up being offset because Carl's death was such a big distraction. Daryl ended up apologizing for it, and it appeared Rick forgave him. As someone who might be getting a little too big for his britches when it comes to leadership decisions I can definitely see him clashing with Rick in the future, but it's hard to see it playing out any other way than it did in the first half of the season where they eventually reconcile. Like Raze said, if he can let a grudge as deep as his with Dwight go, then I'm hard-pressed to believe he'd ever try to actually kill Rick simply over a disagreement with how he does things. They've acknowledged each other as brothers, and it's hard to imagine some simple leadership disagreements to be enough to break that bond. 

      As far as Maggie is concerned, her issue is certainly relatable. She actually lashed out and beat Rick up when Glen got killed in the comics, I was very surprised that they didn't adapt that on the show. Maggie's issue with Negan's survival was definitely a major plot point in the comics as well, but it doesn't become all that prominent until shit gets real with the Whisperer War where the Hilltop comes to Alexandria to help out. An entirely separate war ends before she REALLY gets serious about doing something about him being alive, so I'm a little surprised at them seemingly making it THIS big of an issue THIS early. Michonne is to Maggie as Rick is to Daryl, so again, not sure where you guys are getting this killing idea from. They've had some philosophical disagreements with each other lately as well, but they're still sisters that have loved each other since the prison story. She's not gonna be willing to kill Michonne, just for the sake of killing someone else. 

      Guys......They said "We're gonna show them how wrong they are." How do you guys even create the conclusion that this means killing them when you guys are perfectly aware of how much they care about each other? There is nothing inherent about that statement that suggests the plan is to actually kill them. What was the point of coming together to defeat a monster like Negan if their own bonds with one another are going to dissolve as a result of it? But perhaps I'm wrong, and they actually will plan the unthinkable. In either case, I see a bigger threat distracting them from this plan. 

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    • HanataSanchou wrote: LOL, the Daryl fandom will not stand for him becoming a villain who must be killed off. There was definitely some tension between him and Rick this season, which should have come to a head when the Saviors ended up escaping and bombing Alexandria because he decided to go against the plan. However that ended up being offset because Carl's death was such a big distraction. Daryl ended up apologizing for it, and it appeared Rick forgave him. As someone who might be getting a little too big for his britches when it comes to leadership decisions I can definitely see him clashing with Rick in the future, but it's hard to see it playing out any other way than it did in the first half of the season where they eventually reconcile. Like Raze said, if he can let a grudge as deep as his with Dwight go, then I'm hard-pressed to believe he'd ever try to actually kill Rick simply over a disagreement with how he does things. They've acknowledged each other as brothers, and it's hard to imagine some simple leadership disagreements to be enough to break that bond. 

      As far as Maggie is concerned, her issue is certainly relatable. She actually lashed out and beat Rick up when Glen got killed in the comics, I was very surprised that they didn't adapt that on the show. Maggie's issue with Negan's survival was definitely a major plot point in the comics as well, but it doesn't become all that prominent until shit gets real with the Whisperer War where the Hilltop comes to Alexandria to help out. An entirely separate war ends before she REALLY gets serious about doing something about him being alive, so I'm a little surprised at them seemingly making it THIS big of an issue THIS early. Michonne is to Maggie as Rick is to Daryl, so again, not sure where you guys are getting this killing idea from. They've had some philosophical disagreements with each other lately as well, but they're still sisters that have loved each other since the prison story. She's not gonna be willing to kill Michonne, just for the sake of killing someone else. 

      Guys......They said "We're gonna show them how wrong they are." How do you guys even create the conclusion that this means killing them when you guys are perfectly aware of how much they care about each other? There is nothing inherent about that statement that suggests the plan is to actually kill them. What was the point of coming together to defeat a monster like Negan if their own bonds with one another are going to dissolve as a result of it? But perhaps I'm wrong, and they actually will plan the unthinkable. In either case, I see a bigger threat distracting them from this plan. 

      They are just plotting to kill Negan. Not Rick or Michonne.

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    • Even though i detest the idea that Maggie,Daryl and Jesus will become the new potential bad guys next season it's kind of inevitable really i mean if you think about it just when it seems like Rick and  friends have neutralized one threat,they always unknowingly open the door to new threats although i must say i can understand why Daryl and Maggie want to kill Negan but why Jesus?...i mean i thought he believed that killing isn't always the answer.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote: Even though i detest the idea that Maggie,Daryl and Jesus will become the new potential bad guys next season it's kind of inevitable really i mean if you think about it just when it seems like Rick and  friends have neutralized one threat,they always unknowingly open the door to new threats although i must say i can understand why Daryl and Maggie want to kill Negan but why Jesus?...i mean i thought he believed that killing isn't always the answer.

      Not sure. Maybe Jesus agree's with Maggie!

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    • Mitt Campbell wrote:

      Not sure. Maybe Jesus agree's with Maggie!

      Or maybe Jesus thinks that Negan may still be a threat.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote:
      Even though i detest the idea that Maggie,Daryl and Jesus will become the new potential bad guys next season it's kind of inevitable really i mean if you think about it just when it seems like Rick and  friends have neutralized one threat,they always unknowingly open the door to new threats although i must say i can understand why Daryl and Maggie want to kill Negan but why Jesus?...i mean i thought he believed that killing isn't always the answer.

      I think Maggie trust Jesus enough to tell him about what she's planning, and Jesus is only "agreeing" to her as a way to keep an eye on her and prevent others from dying. It's the only thing that makes sense about him joining with maggie about this.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:

      Pokemonmastercb wrote:
      Even though i detest the idea that Maggie,Daryl and Jesus will become the new potential bad guys next season it's kind of inevitable really i mean if you think about it just when it seems like Rick and  friends have neutralized one threat,they always unknowingly open the door to new threats although i must say i can understand why Daryl and Maggie want to kill Negan but why Jesus?...i mean i thought he believed that killing isn't always the answer.

      I think Maggie trust Jesus enough to tell him about what she's planning, and Jesus is only "agreeing" to her as a way to keep an eye on her and prevent others from dying. It's the only thing that makes sense about him joining with maggie about this.

      Or Daryl too!

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    • i know this is something to wonder about when season 9 starts but i'm starting to wonder how Maggie,Daryl and Jesus killing Negan is going to play out i mean what if it's just like in the comics when Maggie attempts to kill Negan but at the last minute comes to her senses and realizes that he's not worth killing and that killing him isn't going to bring Glenn back i mean that is a possibility isn't it?

      In fact it wouldn't surprise me if Rick told Maggie the same thing and the situation would probably play out something like this-Maggie has a gun to Negan's head with Rick and everybody else watching then Rick would probably say-

      Rick-"Maggie,stop and think for a second are you sure you want to do this?"

      Maggie starts to cry and says-"But he killed Glenn"

      Rick-"Glenn?..Do you think Glenn would of wanted this?,Do you honestly think Glenn would be proud to see what you've become?...Negan is not worth it,killing him is not going to bring Glenn back it's not going to bring back anybody we lost it's not gonna bring back Glenn,it's gonna bring back Abraham,it's not gonna bring back anybody Trust me Maggie if you kill him it means you're no better than him come to your senses now before it's too late"

      Then maggie would probably let Negan go,drop the gun on the ground and get on her knees crying .

      At least that's how "I" and i alone think it would probably play out and i'll bet you the whole time Negan would just be smiling his smartass smile enjoying every second of the turmoil.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote: i know this is something to wonder about when season 9 starts but i'm starting to wonder how Maggie,Daryl and Jesus killing Negan is going to play out i mean what if it's just like in the comics when Maggie attempts to kill Negan but at the last minute comes to her senses and realizes that he's not worth killing and that killing him isn't going to bring Glenn back i mean that is a possibility isn't it?

      In fact it wouldn't surprise me if Rick told Maggie the same thing and the situation would probably play out something like this-Maggie has a gun to Negan's head with Rick and everybody else watching then Rick would probably say-

      Rick-"Maggie,stop and think for a second are you sure you want to do this?"

      Maggie starts to cry and says-"But he killed Glenn"

      Rick-"Glenn?..Do you think Glenn would of wanted this?,Do you honestly think Glenn would be proud to see what you've become?...Negan is not worth it,killing him is not going to bring Glenn back it's not going to bring back anybody we lost it's not gonna bring back Glenn,it's gonna bring back Abraham,it's not gonna bring back anybody Trust me Maggie if you kill him it means you're no better than him come to your senses now before it's too late"

      Then maggie would probably let Negan go,drop the gun on the ground and get on her knees crying .

      At least that's how "I" and i alone think it would probably play out and i'll bet you the whole time Negan would just be smiling his smartass smile enjoying every second of the turmoil.

      Maggie is a lot different than her comic arc.

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    • Yes i know but still that's just how i hope the whole thing turns out.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote: Yes i know but still that's just how i hope the whole thing turns out.

      What do you mean by that?

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    • I meant that i hope Rick convinces Maggie that killing Negan isn't worth it and that she comes to her senses about it.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote: I meant that i hope Rick convinces Maggie that killing Negan isn't worth it and that she comes to her senses about it.

      But i hope it doesn't!

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote:
      i know this is something to wonder about when season 9 starts but i'm starting to wonder how Maggie,Daryl and Jesus killing Negan is going to play out i mean what if it's just like in the comics when Maggie attempts to kill Negan but at the last minute comes to her senses and realizes that he's not worth killing and that killing him isn't going to bring Glenn back i mean that is a possibility isn't it?

      In fact it wouldn't surprise me if Rick told Maggie the same thing and the situation would probably play out something like this-Maggie has a gun to Negan's head with Rick and everybody else watching then Rick would probably say-

      Rick-"Maggie,stop and think for a second are you sure you want to do this?"

      Maggie starts to cry and says-"But he killed Glenn"

      Rick-"Glenn?..Do you think Glenn would of wanted this?,Do you honestly think Glenn would be proud to see what you've become?...Negan is not worth it,killing him is not going to bring Glenn back it's not going to bring back anybody we lost it's not gonna bring back Glenn,it's gonna bring back Abraham,it's not gonna bring back anybody Trust me Maggie if you kill him it means you're no better than him come to your senses now before it's too late"

      Then maggie would probably let Negan go,drop the gun on the ground and get on her knees crying .

      At least that's how "I" and i alone think it would probably play out and i'll bet you the whole time Negan would just be smiling his smartass smile enjoying every second of the turmoil.

      Well in the comics Negan wasn't smiling - in fact he was basically sobbing. After fighting with Rick and the communities against the Whisperers, and also having some heart-to-hearts with Rick, Negan comes to realize just how wrong his way of doing things truly was. He expresses legitimate sympathy and regret for his actions, and actually begs Maggie to kill him. When Maggie is hesitant, he shoves the gun into himself and begins trying to taunt out her anger so she does it. She refuses to give him something that he wants so desperately, and in doing so realizes that she is actually happy with beating him THIS way. You are correct in that Negan does smile - but it's after Maggie leaves and he accepts a new outlook on life. 

      Although the "Glenn wouldn't want this" discussion doesn't really happen.....like ever in the comics I don't think....I'm glad you bring it up because it does make sense. Glenn's moral compass was always on point, and you would hope that at least some remnant of that will remain in Maggie, since that's all we've got left of him (his son prob wont age enough in the series for any inherited Glenn qualities to come to light, kinda like Judith). Sure, Glenn didn't get a chance to write Maggie a heartfelt letter like Carl did, but I'd be surprised if Glenn didn't have some kind of wish for Maggie to not lose who she is in the thralls of war. Would be a perfect opportunity for us all to remember Glenn, since all we really get lately is that scene of them all eating together at that table. 

      Most importantly though, none of this occurs in the comics until after the Whisperer War, so if they're staying true in that regard the Maggie-Negan confrontation would be what season 10? 

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    • maybe 11.... who knows.

      Well Glenn was no stranger to wanting to get revnege on those who caused harm to maggie or his group.... he wanted revenge against Merle for kidnapping them and giving Maggie to the Governor and told Rick they should sacrifice him in order to end the war..... and he no doubt wanted to kill the Governor to..... So im sure Glenn would want Maggie in a way to get revenge for what Negan has done as their child will now be born without a father..... but I guess he wouldn't want Maggie to turn into Rick, Daryl or Morgan; completely bent on nothing but revenge....

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    • Fair point. Glenn probably had the strongest moral compass we've seen so far in the series, but he wasn't COMPLETELY above reproach. Although we knew how much he hated doing it, he still sucked it up and helped kill all those Saviors in that outpost for no reason other than it was Rick's will. I was surprised to hear that he never killed anyone before that, I was sure he caught at least a few bodies during the Prison War. Anywho, just hope the acting during this scene is really good. It'll be the most emotion we've seen from Negan up until now, and Maggie's gonna be full of passion and anger. 

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    • HanataSanchou wrote:
      Fair point. Glenn probably had the strongest moral compass we've seen so far in the series, but he wasn't COMPLETELY above reproach. Although we knew how much he hated doing it, he still sucked it up and helped kill all those Saviors in that outpost for no reason other than it was Rick's will. I was surprised to hear that he never killed anyone before that, I was sure he caught at least a few bodies during the Prison War. Anywho, just hope the acting during this scene is really good. It'll be the most emotion we've seen from Negan up until now, and Maggie's gonna be full of passion and anger. 

      In Glenn's defense, he had no reason to believe Hilltop was lying about practically being slaves, and the whole "Bring us Gregory's head" thing probably was enough evidence for Rick's people that these Saviors were kinda awful.

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    • remember, this movie has crazy plot twist guys, but i guess

      Maggie, Jesus and Daryl still sane so as not to kill Rick and Michonne. "Them" is effected to 3 Person, but they have revenge to Negan. Rick just do message from Carl. Everyone has their interest. Maggie for Glenn, and how hate Daryl, Jesus to Negan, i believe Rick hate Negan too but its about priority.

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    • Pokemonmastercb wrote:
      I meant that i hope Rick convinces Maggie that killing Negan isn't worth it and that she comes to her senses about it.

      but Negan is like half blood god, he always survived, even at a critical moment

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    • No, Maggie, Daryl and Paul won't be villains.

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