• After watching Wrath, I noticed Rick used the same tactic he used on Shane, on Negan. The only difference is he chose to save the life of Negan, someone who has caused him severe pain, killed his friends and made his life absolute hell, not to mention the loss of Carl, instead of Shane, someone who was far less evil in comparison and once Rick's best friend. He could have been saved with Hershel not that far from where it happened. It's hard to understand why Negan has gotten a second chance where as Shane never did

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    • Rick had every reason to Kill Negan, but because of some stupid letter he chose not to.

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    • Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.

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    • Mitt Campbell wrote: Rick had every reason to Kill Negan, but because of some stupid letter he chose not to.

      Just because you have every reason to hurt someone doesn't mean you should. People can change, ya know. What Rick did was the right thing to do. In my opinion, it wasn't the letter that made him lock Negan up. Sure, it helped pushed Rick in the right direction, but overall, it was what was left of his humanity that made the decision.

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    • Rick had an army and a vacant prison cell for Negan. Negan's army was crippled, pretty much literally. 

      Rick in Season 2 was a man still adusting to the apocalypse, faced with dealing with a traitor who lured him into the woods with the intent of murdering him. He had no reason to believe he could ever trust Shane after that, and as far as he was concerned, they already had lots of problems, Randall's group was still presumed to be out there, they had lost Otis, Sophia, and Dale, and Rick couldn't take it with the distrust anymore. He caved. 

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    • One difference is that Shane tried to kill Rick for selfish reasons so he could be with Lori and Carl. Whereas Negan was trying to kill Rick because he killed his people. Also Shane was too much of a liability that couldn't just be locked away at the time. Finally it was done to show how much Rick has grown and how he's trying to return to a sense of civilization again.

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    • CDandme wrote:

      Mitt Campbell wrote: Rick had every reason to Kill Negan, but because of some stupid letter he chose not to.

      Just because you have every reason to hurt someone doesn't mean you should. People can change, ya know. What Rick did was the right thing to do. In my opinion, it wasn't the letter that made him lock Negan up. Sure, it helped pushed Rick in the right direction, but overall, it was what was left of his humanity that made the decision.

      Now Maggie and Daryl are plotting to kill Negan behind Rick's back.

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    • Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.

      The barn I suppose, but I doubt it would hold him for long. Which is my point. Shane couldn't be locked up like Negan since at the time, Rick's group were just nomads who had no permanent place to live or contain prisoners.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:

      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.

      The barn I suppose, but I doubt it would hold him for long. Which is my point. Shane couldn't be locked up like Negan since at the time, Rick's group were just nomads who had no permanent place to live or contain prisoners.

      Nomads?

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    • Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote:


      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.
      The barn I suppose, but I doubt it would hold him for long. Which is my point. Shane couldn't be locked up like Negan since at the time, Rick's group were just nomads who had no permanent place to live or contain prisoners.
      Nomads?

      Are you vaguely asking for him to elaborate due to disbelief, or have you not heard of nomads?

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    • Corvonmarcus wrote:
      After watching Wrath, I noticed Rick used the same tactic he used on Shane, on Negan. The only difference is he chose to save the life of Negan, someone who has caused him severe pain, killed his friends and made his life absolute hell, not to mention the loss of Carl, instead of Shane, someone who was far less evil in comparison and once Rick's best friend. He could have been saved with Hershel not that far from where it happened. It's hard to understand why Negan has gotten a second chance where as Shane never did

      They were at a farm where everyone (Including Rick himself) were all much more vulnerable compared to now, and Rick didnt have the luxury of a cell back then to put Shane in 

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    • RazeSpear wrote:

      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote:


      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.
      The barn I suppose, but I doubt it would hold him for long. Which is my point. Shane couldn't be locked up like Negan since at the time, Rick's group were just nomads who had no permanent place to live or contain prisoners.
      Nomads?

      Are you vaguely asking for him to elaborate due to disbelief, or have you not heard of nomads?

      No. I dont know what that is?

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    • Mitt Campbell wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote:

      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote:


      Mitt Campbell wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote: Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      How would they be able to lock up Shane? Where would they have a place to lock him in.
      The barn I suppose, but I doubt it would hold him for long. Which is my point. Shane couldn't be locked up like Negan since at the time, Rick's group were just nomads who had no permanent place to live or contain prisoners.
      Nomads?
      Are you vaguely asking for him to elaborate due to disbelief, or have you not heard of nomads?
      No. I dont know what that is?

      Nomads are a group of people that travel from place to place who do not have a permanent home. In history the Mongol Empire had several tribes of nomads. A classic example are shepards. 

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    • As lots of people have already stated it's easier to lock Negan up now than Shane was in the past. And I agree with that. Carl's death and letter had a major influence on Rick to make this decision.  However in the comics:

      (Don't read the following if you do not read the comics) 




      Negan tells Rick one day (if this scene happens it will almost certainly happen next season) that keeping him locked up is the best and only way to make Rick believe to himself that he is a good guy. And not Negan. Rick somehow beliebves that despite killing hundreds of saviors, keeping Negan alive justifies all the death and destruction he has caused.

      I think this is the real reason why Rick keeps Negan alive. 

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.

      I couldn't have said it better myself!

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    • LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!

      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.

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    • well yes but nobody got killed... meanwhile daryl , sasha and abraham literally slaughtered like 20 of them..... the saviors didn't bother them after that at all and didn't even know alexandria existed..... so rick and co did start the war as they made the first true move by slaughtering the saviors in the satellite outpost.... they severely underestimated the saviors and didn't take the time to observe and study them and learn that they were an army of nearly 500 plus strong with outposts everyhere and weapons and respurces up the ying yang! glenn and abhraham's death are completely rick's fault! carl's death is his fault to! every person that had died in the war is his fault to!

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    • Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.

      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.

      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.

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    • RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.

      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.

      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.

      Lots of saviours didnt like each other, but they still worked together to do wrong The only mistake Rick made was not getting intel on the saviours knowing there were more

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    • MoralesLives wrote:

      ShadowBeast wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.
      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.

      Lots of saviours didnt like each other, but they still worked together to do wrong The only mistake Rick made was not getting intel on the saviours knowing there were more

      The only other saviors we've seen that was disliked by others was Jared.  Rick's "only mistake" cost him him big.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.
      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.

      They were collecting for Negan, threatened to shoot both Abraham and Sasha, and Rick's people got first-hand testimony from the Hilltop that Negan bashed a kid's head in, and they saw that the Saviors had sent Ethan to behead Gregory because the Hilltop's slave work was deem unsatisfactory by the Saviors at the Satellite Plant.

      Rick was not the first offender.

      The only reason Sasha and Abraham were not shot was because Daryl intervened. It wasn't mercy, it wasn't a change of heart. It doesn't matter how well liked those Saviors were, they were running an errand for Negan. You can bet if Negan didn't like how they operated, he would shut it down. He's not afraid to discipline his own people.

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    • RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.
      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.
      They were collecting for Negan, threatened to shoot both Abraham and Sasha, and Rick's people got first-hand testimony from the Hilltop that Negan bashed a kid's head in, and they saw that the Saviors had sent Ethan to behead Gregory because the Hilltop's slave work was deem unsatisfactory by the Saviors at the Satellite Plant.

      Rick was not the first offender.

      The only reason Sasha and Abraham were not shot was because Daryl intervened. It wasn't mercy, it wasn't a change of heart. It doesn't matter how well liked those Saviors were, they were running an errand for Negan. You can bet if Negan didn't like how they operated, he would shut it down. He's not afraid to discipline his own people.

      Rick killed members of the Saviors first. That makes him the first offender.  Negan didn't even know about Daryl killing the motorcycle gang. And robbing is not the same as attacking. And the fact that the other saviors didn't like them does indeed matter as it makes them like Jared, who was even disobeying Gavin for the sake of provoking others.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.
      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.
      They were collecting for Negan, threatened to shoot both Abraham and Sasha, and Rick's people got first-hand testimony from the Hilltop that Negan bashed a kid's head in, and they saw that the Saviors had sent Ethan to behead Gregory because the Hilltop's slave work was deem unsatisfactory by the Saviors at the Satellite Plant.

      Rick was not the first offender.

      The only reason Sasha and Abraham were not shot was because Daryl intervened. It wasn't mercy, it wasn't a change of heart. It doesn't matter how well liked those Saviors were, they were running an errand for Negan. You can bet if Negan didn't like how they operated, he would shut it down. He's not afraid to discipline his own people.

      Rick killed members of the Saviors first. That makes him the first offender.  Negan didn't even know about Daryl killing the motorcycle gang. And robbing is not the same as attacking. And the fact that the other saviors didn't like them does indeed matter as it makes them like Jared, who was even disobeying Gavin for the sake of provoking others.

      The whole point is that the saviors way to live makes them the first agressor. The fact is they interfere other people's lives/privacy/community. In case of the Hilltop, they got lucky, but it was clear that they would get Alexandria sooner or later. Rick's strike was completely justified after the data he had gotten from the faction that met Abe/Sasha/Daryl and what he got from the Hilltop. The literally forced one Hilltopper to assasinate Gregory by holding his brother hostage, due to not delievering enough food. Rick's big mistake was not gathering enough information beforehand, plus Jesus could have described what Negan looked like.

      The Saviors very way of life invites conflict, so a major offense against the, was only a matter of time whether it was Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom or even the workers.

      Rick has pretty much never killed someone unless he was a danger, whether on a personal basis or the group. 

      The Saviors also lack a traumatic experience that makes you sympathaize with them: Rick's group met all kinds of bad people, Kingdom and Hilltop were enslavved/extorted by saviors, the Saviors killed all boys and men of Oceanside, and even the people of Terminus can at least partially be understood for their nithlism/psychopathic worldview (Gareth witnessed his mother being raped for weeks by the one of most heinous group in the TWD-universe).

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    • its funny robert kirkman said we could possibly learr about the leader of that group's backstory..... i wonder if that'll ever still happen

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      RazeSpear wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Theropod from the North wrote:
      LastofUsInfected wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:
      Shane couldn't have been locked away like Negan could. Their stay at the farm was only suppose to be temperary and they couldn't leave him with the Greene family (A zombie horde appears and forces everyone away from the farm anyway, but that would still allow Shane to escape and hunt for Rick) . With Rick's group living at a community, Negan can be better watched over.  Besides, Negan's cause of damage to Rick and his friends was caused by Rick's group making a first strike against the Saviors. The fact that Negan only intended to kill only one member of the group was a blessing considering how many of Negan's men Rick and his group killed. Rick brought the wrath of the Saviors onto himself and his community.
      I couldn't have said it better myself!
      Didn't the saviors strike first with that motor cycle gang? Plus they're way of life was literally demanding conflict. Those satellite station people had collections of bashed heads on the wall. I kinda hoped they would have gone more brutal on the saviors with war reprations and victors justice.
      Technically that motor cycle gang didn't strike first since they didn't attack anyone. Plus considering the comments some of the saviors made in the satelite outpost about them, they weren't exactly well liked by the other saviors.
      Attempted armed robbery is generally considered a violent offense.
      Still doesn't change the fact that Rick's group killed Negan's people first or that the motor cycle gang wasn't liked even among fellow Saviors.
      They were collecting for Negan, threatened to shoot both Abraham and Sasha, and Rick's people got first-hand testimony from the Hilltop that Negan bashed a kid's head in, and they saw that the Saviors had sent Ethan to behead Gregory because the Hilltop's slave work was deem unsatisfactory by the Saviors at the Satellite Plant.

      Rick was not the first offender.

      The only reason Sasha and Abraham were not shot was because Daryl intervened. It wasn't mercy, it wasn't a change of heart. It doesn't matter how well liked those Saviors were, they were running an errand for Negan. You can bet if Negan didn't like how they operated, he would shut it down. He's not afraid to discipline his own people.

      Rick killed members of the Saviors first. That makes him the first offender.  Negan didn't even know about Daryl killing the motorcycle gang. And robbing is not the same as attacking. And the fact that the other saviors didn't like them does indeed matter as it makes them like Jared, who was even disobeying Gavin for the sake of provoking others.

      Attempting to kill has the same gravity as killing. Abraham and Sasha were going to die. They were saved by chance. Negan knowingly had these men out in the world. He's responsible for what they do as long as they collect for him. He's responsible for them, for Jared, for Simon, and so on. They were running his errands. Their failures are his failures. He is the first offender.

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    • Well, at least Negan didn't .... Lori lol.

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