• It's been public knowlage for a few years now that Eugene was on the autism/asbergers spectrum, but I think his treatment on the show has been terrible. A complete weirdo, only used for comic relief that isn't funny, and a broken character arc that has made him unbelivably unsympathetic to the viewer. He's a characature with terrible writing, a far cry from eugene in the comics, who's arc took him from a liar to one of the best characters still standing in the comics. I find the show's stance on people like Eugene downright terrible, and not that potrayal of autistic characters is anything personal to me at all, but I thought they could at least try to add some compelxity in there.

    Then came along John Dorie. What a great character, and while I don't think his autism has been confirmed anywherem it's very clear. It wasn't really apparent until the episode 'Laura'. This is a man of habit and routine. Both his biggest strength and his biggest weakness is his black-and-white view of the world. His need to watch movies on Tuesdays, wake up at the same time, write his name on the video review board and clean his guns every night show he is someone with. He is someone who has a desire to keep things in control, and throwing June into the mix is a great way to mix up his emotions and give him someone to attach to. The John, June, Charlie trio are all really interesting characters, and I'm looking forward what happens to them. 

    Again, I wish they had treated Eugene with such faithfulness, thoughtfulness and complexity. Unless I'm just imagining Dorie is autistic, in which case, please give your opinion on the matter. 

    Jaga xxx

    John Dorie JC 6
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    • Agree.

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    • Yeah in the comics Eugene is one of the best characters ever and he is brave and fearless and remained loyal to Rick but in the show he is a total coward and annoying character and partly the reason is because Daryl took Eugene’s arc in the show when he was held as prisoner instead of Eugene like in the comics and I wish that they would do Eugene better like in the comics but if they don’t start developing him soon then what’s the point of having him? Just to make a stupid move and be an annoying character then why bother keeping him alive and if he doesn’t get better soon then I want him to die. How come Carol and Morgan are better in the tv show then there comics counterparts but yet Eugene is not.

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    • Uh no John Dorie is relatable as fuck and not autistic. he has some relatable and funny aspects of eugene that we remember from his comic aspects. That doesnt make him autistic.

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    • Neogermany wrote:
      Uh no John Dorie is relatable as fuck and not autistic. he has some relatable and funny aspects of eugene that we remember from his comic aspects. That doesnt make him autistic.

      I think he can be both relatable and autistic, no? I think his reliance on routine, black and white morality and blunt speaking pattern show he probably is, even if it's quite low on the spectrum. 

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    • I never really got the impression that Eugene is autistic, just a socially awkward dweeb that babbles when in distress. That said, his character was completely ruined in the show because the writers seem to confuse character arcs with character loops. Even Rick falls into this, going from a pacifist in the first half of a season to a murder machine in the second half. Rick in the comics never really rolled over for the Saviors, merely pretended to do so while he bides his time until they let their guard down. Rick in the show is just genuinely broken in the first half of Season 7, then decides he's  going to fight after the mid-season finale. It's really annoying. 

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    • John Dorie  is the best thing to come out of this season. 

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    • I viewed John Dorie's habits moreso as a man who was just trying to hold on to the good aspects of his former life, rather than symptoms of autism. This is prob just me, but I don't see anything JD did as weird or socially awkward.....at least not to the point of it denoting a mental condition. Is having a weekly movie night really that outta the park? Maybe it was a tradition from a group of friends he had way back. Some of the best chess players have matches with themselves, I don't think that playing Scrabble against yourself is too out there either. I generally wake up at the same times even on non-work days, just because of habit and sleep schedule. You could just as easily be right though, which I think speaks to the larger question of autism in general. It's one of those conditions like OCD and ADHD where unless it's extreme, its hard to not just see their tendencies as quirks of their personality. Even with that said though, it's hard to not look at JD's behavior and get a sense that something is "off", so I see your point. The fact that we're even having this discussion IMO points out just how well John Dorie is written compared to most Fear characters we tend to get. He's an incredibly simple and easy-going guy, yet figuring him out is still a suprisingly complex matter. He's the first character in a while where I feel like I need to dig into his backstory and the life he lived before all this to truly understand him. Can't say people like Althea or June, who we've known for essentially the same amount of time, seem to be as layered. Love the guy, and hope he makes it to Fear's finish line. 

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    • Jaga 321 wrote:

      Neogermany wrote:
      Uh no John Dorie is relatable as fuck and not autistic. he has some relatable and funny aspects of eugene that we remember from his comic aspects. That doesnt make him autistic.

      I think he can be both relatable and autistic, no? I think his reliance on routine, black and white morality and blunt speaking pattern show he probably is, even if it's quite low on the spectrum. 

      Um how about fucking no? I don’t want to relate to people with autism. He is not fucking autistic and I find him the most relatable character in FTWD, as someone who has struggled with anxiety and depression and went through anxiety induced times in my life when I felt was “secretly autistic” or some shit because I couldn’t make new friends or acted awkward, any comfort I take in acting like John Dorie is rudely ripped away by stupid fan theories like this. He is adorable, relatable, awkward, and lovable. For Christ sakes can we fucking keep it that way?

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    • Jaga 321 wrote:
      It's been public knowlage for a few years now that Eugene was on the autism/asbergers spectrum, but I think his treatment on the show has been terrible. A complete weirdo, only used for comic relief that isn't funny, and a broken character arc that has made him unbelivably unsympathetic to the viewer. He's a characature with terrible writing, a far cry from eugene in the comics, who's arc took him from a liar to one of the best characters still standing in the comics. I find the show's stance on people like Eugene downright terrible, and not that potrayal of autistic characters is anything personal to me at all, but I thought they could at least try to add some compelxity in there.

      Then came along John Dorie. What a great character, and while I don't think his autism has been confirmed anywherem it's very clear. It wasn't really apparent until the episode 'Laura'. This is a man of habit and routine. Both his biggest strength and his biggest weakness is his black-and-white view of the world. His need to watch movies on Tuesdays, wake up at the same time, write his name on the video review board and clean his guns every night show he is someone with. He is someone who has a desire to keep things in control, and throwing June into the mix is a great way to mix up his emotions and give him someone to attach to. The John, June, Charlie trio are all really interesting characters, and I'm looking forward what happens to them. 

      Again, I wish they had treated Eugene with such faithfulness, thoughtfulness and complexity. Unless I'm just imagining Dorie is autistic, in which case, please give your opinion on the matter. 

      Jaga xxx

      John Dorie JC 6

      he doesn't seem like he has ASD he has a routine but many do. How many people get wake up 6:15 am, read the news on their ipad, get a cup of coffee at dunkin's, ect ect some people's day is the same thing over and over. He doesn't strike me as someone who is ASD  



      as for his morals. He's from Texas likely grow up right wing, classic American Christian type. i don't think that is even a thing with ASD seeing the world in black and white. Many people do Naruto, Goku, Batman, Superman,  right is right and wrong is wrong yes sometimes there is a middle ground here and there. In my opinion, Rick and his side are the and guys and what Negan did, for the most part, wasn't bad racketeering? vs murder of a compound of sleeping men which is worst? i'd say murder which Rick did unprovoked. Murder in cold blood is never right. Negan wasn't truly evil no one in that universe is maybe their actions are right or wrong but everyone has done stuff that would be seen as objectively wrong (murder,rape,ect) by a 'hero' and stuff that would be seen as 'good' (like saving people, having mercy,ect) things like stealing i mean in that world that is just survival so yeah. John would likely see it as wrong tho

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    • sorry if my grammar is bad i'm tired and i'm not the best explain stuff sometimes (all the tiem)

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      ""Um how about fucking no? I don’t want to relate to people with autism. He is not fucking autistic and I find him the most relatable character in FTWD, ""

      that's an awful thing to say. somebody needs a hug i think

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      ""Um how about fucking no? I don’t want to relate to people with autism. He is not fucking autistic and I find him the most relatable character in FTWD, ""

      that's an awful thing to say. somebody needs a hug i think

      How, it wasn’t that bad. I have honestly seen haters say way worse things than what this user said, but I guess this is just my opinion.
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