• I knwo this is a really minor point, but the introduction of 'loyal till the end' Big Richie was super annoying to me. A character we never saw in seasons 6, 7 or 8. It would have been nice to keep up continuity and have a minor character with unknown status appear here instead. Imagine he sees Mark, burnt face and all, as a walker? It would have been more recognisable to fans, and would have fit with the themes of the episode more, and Negan would be able to look at the pain he caused as a leader. 

    Really minor point, but a nicer attention to continuity would be amazing, as to the fans, the little things often matter just as much as the big. Giving a proper fate to someone who's currently unknown would have been nice payoff instead of introducing someone new we've never seen before. And it's not like it's hard to keep track of. As writers, the easiest thing to do would be to use this very wikia as reference. 

    just a thought

    ( alt: imagine Negan seeing the same walker, only they only have one hand. He talks to the walker, calling it Cam ! Now that would be a very cool throwback)

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    • That would have definitely been better. Maybe it could be Wade, too. The other actors might not be avaliable, but Wade's face was never shown, so they could easily have pulled it off.

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    • You are so right. I dislike it when they introduce a character out of the blue. He never appeared in seasons six, seven and eight, or even got a mention. It would have made more sese if it was Mark instead. As for Cam I bet they forgot he even existed. Also where did Wade go?

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    • DalesRV wrote:
      That would have definitely been better. Maybe it could be Wade, too. The other actors might not be avaliable, but Wade's face was never shown, so they could easily have pulled it off.

      Wasn't Wade one of Negan's lieutenants? Him disappearing like that makes the continuity of the show look really bad.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      That would have definitely been better. Maybe it could be Wade, too. The other actors might not be avaliable, but Wade's face was never shown, so they could easily have pulled it off.
      Wasn't Wade one of Negna lieutenants? Him disappearing like that makes the continuity of the show look really bad.

      He was, so this would be a cool way to address it. I mean, there is still the question of where he was for 2 seasons, but hey, you do what you can.

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    • DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      That would have definitely been better. Maybe it could be Wade, too. The other actors might not be avaliable, but Wade's face was never shown, so they could easily have pulled it off.
      Wasn't Wade one of Negna lieutenants? Him disappearing like that makes the continuity of the show look really bad.
      He was, so this would be a cool way to address it. I mean, there is still the question of where he was for 2 seasons, but hey, you do what you can.

      The writers should have addressed what happened to him or said he was killed off-screen. It feels like they forgot he even existed. Did they replace Wade with Simon?

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      That would have definitely been better. Maybe it could be Wade, too. The other actors might not be avaliable, but Wade's face was never shown, so they could easily have pulled it off.
      Wasn't Wade one of Negna lieutenants? Him disappearing like that makes the continuity of the show look really bad.
      He was, so this would be a cool way to address it. I mean, there is still the question of where he was for 2 seasons, but hey, you do what you can.
      The writers should have addressed what happened to him or said he was killed off-screen. It feels like they forgot he even existed. Did they replace Wade with Simon?

      Yeah, I think Wade was a proto Simon.

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    • I agree. Mark would have been more impactful but well... Hopefully we find out his fate soon.

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    • CarolSaurio wrote:
      I agree. Mark would have been more impactful but well... Hopefully we find out his fate soon.

      I hope so, so many Saviors are missing now like Negan's wives and workers.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      I agree. Mark would have been more impactful but well... Hopefully we find out his fate soon.
      I hope so, so many Saviors are missing now like Negan's wives and workers.

      Potter is the only one I want to know about the workers since he was brought back this season. I think the others are not gonna back since they were basically extras.

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    • CarolSaurio wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      I agree. Mark would have been more impactful but well... Hopefully we find out his fate soon.
      I hope so, so many Saviors are missing now like Negan's wives and workers.
      Potter is the only one I want to know about the workers since he was brought back this season. I think the others are not gonna back since they were basically extras.

      See I don't understand that. Is the show implying that they're dead because we didn't see their bodies with Negan at the Sanctuary? Are they getting rid of those extras to save money? Why do we care so much more about this than the actual people working on the show? Imagine being a loyal extra who comes when you're called then all of a sudden you stopped getting called in and you don't even know if your character is dead.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      I agree. Mark would have been more impactful but well... Hopefully we find out his fate soon.
      I hope so, so many Saviors are missing now like Negan's wives and workers.
      Potter is the only one I want to know about the workers since he was brought back this season. I think the others are not gonna back since they were basically extras.
      See I don't understand that. Is the show implying that they're dead because we didn't see their bodies with Negan at the Sanctuary? Are they getting rid of those extras to save money? Why do we care so much more about this than the actual people working on the show? Imagine being a loyal extra who comes when you're called then all of a sudden you stopped getting called in and you don't even know if your character is dead.

      Lol, it must suck for them. 

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    • I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.

      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.

      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.

      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.

      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.
      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.

      The only Saviors left in the show seem to be Negan, Laura, DJ, Alden, Gracie, maybe Frankie, and some background survivors. Hopefully the show will flesh out these remaining Saviors instead of killing them like flies as they did last season. I'm not sure how many are still alive, but it has to be as low as 20 right? I wish we could get confirmation from the show on how many are lremaining.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.
      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.
      The only Saviors left in the show seem to be Negan, Laura, DJ, Alden, Gracie, maybe Frankie, and some background survivors. Hopefully the show will flesh out these remaining Saviors instead of killing them like flies as they did last season. I'm not sure how many are still alive, but it has to be as low as 20 right? I wish we could get confirmation from the show on how many are lremaining.

      Yeah. Hoping Frankie is still alive, but if she appears, it might just be to get her head stuck on one of them pikes, especially if she's rumoured to appear in 915, when I think some of the group will get captured by Whisperers.

      And the only two background characters I remember is the one we mentioned above and another one residing at Hilltop. We really need these Saviors to be fleshed out indeed.

      What I would've liked to see was a little dynamic between Laura & Negan. Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of Judith, but it would've been nice to see Laura interacting during the road scene in 909 with Negan, as they could talk about the Sanctuary etc. But that's just something I would've liked, maybe you all prefer the conversation with Judith.

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    • I wonder what happened to Eduardo, Tanya, Potter, Amber and Mark.

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    • Negan should have seen Dwight with Lucille being inside the Sanctuary, but that's never gonna happen now. Ok, I'll go and cry in a corner now.

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    • CarolSaurio wrote:
      I wonder what happened to Eduardo, Tanya, Potter, Amber and Mark.

      I think we'll possibly see Eduardo again, but I'm really not sure about these Saviors. Guess they're written off the show. I mean, they aren't really forgettable, but still, I'd like to see 'em again. Potter could get involved, but I'm not sure about the others...they wouldn't have really anything interesting to accomplish, and if they'd kill off Amber like the comics....we never even saw a relation between Mark & Amber apart from his face being burned off so I actually really don't know and I'm going to stop typing nothing relevant for a minute.

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    • BIGBROBILI wrote:
      Negan should have seen Dwight with Lucille being inside the Sanctuary, but that's never gonna happen now. Ok, I'll go and cry in a corner now.

      That would've been awesome! Nice idea. Could justifiy the fact that he was gone for so long partly with FTWD, which could be set two to three years before the current date of TWD. It's kind of unrealistic to have Dwight only be back after 7,5 years, but why not. This is the same show in which a 10 year old girl manages to shoot perfectly at a guy's motorcycle and be allowed to wander outside of the communities, ALONE.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      I wonder what happened to Eduardo, Tanya, Potter, Amber and Mark.
      I think we'll possibly see Eduardo again, but I'm really not sure about these Saviors. Guess they're written off the show. I mean, they aren't really forgettable, but still, I'd like to see 'em again. Potter could get involved, but I'm not sure about the others...they wouldn't have really anything interesting to accomplish, and if they'd kill off Amber like the comics....we never even saw a relation between Mark & Amber apart from his face being burned off so I actually really don't know and I'm going to stop typing nothing relevant for a minute.

      If Frankie does gets her head piked, then I doubt we are going to see Amber again. Mark is also unnecesary withouth Amber. Tanya I think will come back cause we need someone close to Frankie to react to her death (if she dies) and Potter, I think he died of old age.

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    • CarolSaurio wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      CarolSaurio wrote:
      I wonder what happened to Eduardo, Tanya, Potter, Amber and Mark.
      I think we'll possibly see Eduardo again, but I'm really not sure about these Saviors. Guess they're written off the show. I mean, they aren't really forgettable, but still, I'd like to see 'em again. Potter could get involved, but I'm not sure about the others...they wouldn't have really anything interesting to accomplish, and if they'd kill off Amber like the comics....we never even saw a relation between Mark & Amber apart from his face being burned off so I actually really don't know and I'm going to stop typing nothing relevant for a minute.
      If Frankie does gets her head piked, then I doubt we are going to see Amber again. Mark is also unnecesary withouth Amber. Tanya I think will come back cause we need someone close to Frankie to react to her death (if she dies) and Potter, I think he died of old age.

      Seems all reasonable. Potter wasn't that old though, as far as I know.

      Also curious when we'll see Oceanside again. I presume in like episode 11 or something, IF we see them again but I don't see why not...unless it's something with these X scars...

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      BIGBROBILI wrote:
      Negan should have seen Dwight with Lucille being inside the Sanctuary, but that's never gonna happen now. Ok, I'll go and cry in a corner now.
      That would've been awesome! Nice idea. Could justifiy the fact that he was gone for so long partly with FTWD, which could be set two to three years before the current date of TWD. It's kind of unrealistic to have Dwight only be back after 7,5 years, but why not. This is the same show in which a 10 year old girl manages to shoot perfectly at a guy's motorcycle and be allowed to wander outside of the communities, ALONE.

      Yeah and thanks! I mean, it was unrealistic to bring back Morales after eight seasons, but hey whatever.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.
      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.
      The only Saviors left in the show seem to be Negan, Laura, DJ, Alden, Gracie, maybe Frankie, and some background survivors. Hopefully the show will flesh out these remaining Saviors instead of killing them like flies as they did last season. I'm not sure how many are still alive, but it has to be as low as 20 right? I wish we could get confirmation from the show on how many are lremaining.
      Yeah. Hoping Frankie is still alive, but if she appears, it might just be to get her head stuck on one of them pikes, especially if she's rumoured to appear in 915, when I think some of the group will get captured by Whisperers.

      And the only two background characters I remember is the one we mentioned above and another one residing at Hilltop. We really need these Saviors to be fleshed out indeed.

      What I would've liked to see was a little dynamic between Laura & Negan. Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of Judith, but it would've been nice to see Laura interacting during the road scene in 909 with Negan, as they could talk about the Sanctuary etc. But that's just something I would've liked, maybe you all prefer the conversation with Judith.

      Exactly, I would have loved it if both Laura and Judith found Negan instead of her being by herself. Then Negan would ask Laura what happened at the Sanctuary and we would have gotten this awesome explanation from her. After hearing what happened Negan's agrees to let both of them take him back to Alexandria.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.
      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.
      The only Saviors left in the show seem to be Negan, Laura, DJ, Alden, Gracie, maybe Frankie, and some background survivors. Hopefully the show will flesh out these remaining Saviors instead of killing them like flies as they did last season. I'm not sure how many are still alive, but it has to be as low as 20 right? I wish we could get confirmation from the show on how many are lremaining.
      Yeah. Hoping Frankie is still alive, but if she appears, it might just be to get her head stuck on one of them pikes, especially if she's rumoured to appear in 915, when I think some of the group will get captured by Whisperers.

      And the only two background characters I remember is the one we mentioned above and another one residing at Hilltop. We really need these Saviors to be fleshed out indeed.

      What I would've liked to see was a little dynamic between Laura & Negan. Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of Judith, but it would've been nice to see Laura interacting during the road scene in 909 with Negan, as they could talk about the Sanctuary etc. But that's just something I would've liked, maybe you all prefer the conversation with Judith.

      Exactly, I would have loved it if both Laura and Judith found Negan instead of her being by herself. Then Negan would ask Laura what happened at the Sanctuary and we would have gotten this awesome explanation from her. After hearing what happened Negan's agrees to let both of them take him back to Alexandria.

      Sounds nice to me.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      I was a little annoyed with that as well. Like, just show us a familiar face as the walker. I'd have introduced Big Richie in like Season 7 as quite a minor character, only having some dialogue in Season 8, and being seen in most of the Savior scenes in Season 9.
      The Saviors are really inconsistent in the show. One extra was with Negan attacking Alexandria last season and that same extra was a prisoner at the Hilltop in the same episode I believe. I would have loved it if all the Saviors in season 9 were in the background during six, seven and eight but unfortunately they weren't.
      Yeah. I do like that one of the extras from previous seasons was the same one to untie Negan after his conversation with Gabriel.
      Me too that was good but it's a shame they couldn't do that for the whole of them.
      Yeah. Now we have to classify all these other Saviors as dead or unknown, with only seven or something still alive, including background saviors.
      The only Saviors left in the show seem to be Negan, Laura, DJ, Alden, Gracie, maybe Frankie, and some background survivors. Hopefully the show will flesh out these remaining Saviors instead of killing them like flies as they did last season. I'm not sure how many are still alive, but it has to be as low as 20 right? I wish we could get confirmation from the show on how many are lremaining.
      Yeah. Hoping Frankie is still alive, but if she appears, it might just be to get her head stuck on one of them pikes, especially if she's rumoured to appear in 915, when I think some of the group will get captured by Whisperers.

      And the only two background characters I remember is the one we mentioned above and another one residing at Hilltop. We really need these Saviors to be fleshed out indeed.

      What I would've liked to see was a little dynamic between Laura & Negan. Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of Judith, but it would've been nice to see Laura interacting during the road scene in 909 with Negan, as they could talk about the Sanctuary etc. But that's just something I would've liked, maybe you all prefer the conversation with Judith.

      Exactly, I would have loved it if both Laura and Judith found Negan instead of her being by herself. Then Negan would ask Laura what happened at the Sanctuary and we would have gotten this awesome explanation from her. After hearing what happened Negan's agrees to let both of them take him back to Alexandria.

      I like it, but to be honest, if they can find anything to do for Laura right now that'd be great. I don't like to see good characters being squandered.

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    • I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.

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    • Jaga 321 wrote:
      I knwo this is a really minor point, but the introduction of 'loyal till the end' Big Richie was super annoying to me. A character we never saw in seasons 6, 7 or 8. It would have been nice to keep up continuity and have a minor character with unknown status appear here instead. Imagine he sees Mark, burnt face and all, as a walker? It would have been more recognisable to fans, and would have fit with the themes of the episode more, and Negan would be able to look at the pain he caused as a leader. 

      Really minor point, but a nicer attention to continuity would be amazing, as to the fans, the little things often matter just as much as the big. Giving a proper fate to someone who's currently unknown would have been nice payoff instead of introducing someone new we've never seen before. And it's not like it's hard to keep track of. As writers, the easiest thing to do would be to use this very wikia as reference. 

      just a thought

      ( alt: imagine Negan seeing the same walker, only they only have one hand. He talks to the walker, calling it Cam ! Now that would be a very cool throwback)

      i don't think he was wasted. There was like 600 saviors. The fact Negan even knows his name is impressive 

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    • Narutorulez wrote:
      Jaga 321 wrote:
      I knwo this is a really minor point, but the introduction of 'loyal till the end' Big Richie was super annoying to me. A character we never saw in seasons 6, 7 or 8. It would have been nice to keep up continuity and have a minor character with unknown status appear here instead. Imagine he sees Mark, burnt face and all, as a walker? It would have been more recognisable to fans, and would have fit with the themes of the episode more, and Negan would be able to look at the pain he caused as a leader. 

      Really minor point, but a nicer attention to continuity would be amazing, as to the fans, the little things often matter just as much as the big. Giving a proper fate to someone who's currently unknown would have been nice payoff instead of introducing someone new we've never seen before. And it's not like it's hard to keep track of. As writers, the easiest thing to do would be to use this very wikia as reference. 

      just a thought

      ( alt: imagine Negan seeing the same walker, only they only have one hand. He talks to the walker, calling it Cam ! Now that would be a very cool throwback)

      i don't think he was wasted. There was like 600 saviors. The fact Negan even knows his name is impressive 

      But if Negan was willing to learn that Saviors name out of 600 then wouldn't it have been nice to see him back in the previous seasons or at least get a mention?

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    • JCB95 wrote:
      I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.

      I think everyone understood the point of that scene. And it did what it set out to do. It's just that throwing in a known Savior like Mark or Cam would have been a nice callback. Sure, it would mean nothing for most people, but for those who pay attention it would have been cool. Also, if Mark was the walker it would have added some emotional weight, given what Negan did to him.  

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    • DalesRV wrote:
      JCB95 wrote:
      I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.
      I think everyone understood the point of that scene. And it did what it set out to do. It's just that throwing in a known Savior like Mark or Cam would have been a nice callback. Sure, it would mean nothing for most people, but for those who pay attention it would have been cool. Also, if Mark was the walker it would have added some emotional weight, given what Negan did to him.  

      ^^^

      Moments like these can work both on a character and audience level if done correct

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    • DalesRV wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:
      I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.

      I think everyone understood the point of that scene. And it did what it set out to do. It's just that throwing in a known Savior like Mark or Cam would have been a nice callback. Sure, it would mean nothing for most people, but for those who pay attention it would have been cool. Also, if Mark was the walker it would have added some emotional weight, given what Negan did to him.  

      I'm am active fan on this wiki yet I forgot who Cam was. Honestly if it was him or any other Savior it would have been cool in the moment but in the end nobody would have still cared. Mark would have made no sense after everything Negan did to him.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      DalesRV wrote:


      JCB95 wrote:
      I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.
      I think everyone understood the point of that scene. And it did what it set out to do. It's just that throwing in a known Savior like Mark or Cam would have been a nice callback. Sure, it would mean nothing for most people, but for those who pay attention it would have been cool. Also, if Mark was the walker it would have added some emotional weight, given what Negan did to him.  
      I'm am active fan on this wiki yet I forgot who Cam was. Honestly if it was him or any other Savior it would have been cool in the moment but in the end nobody would have still cared. Mark would have made no sense after everything Negan did to him.

      Mark is missing so that makes no sense either. It seems like he was killed off-screen just like pretty much every Savior.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      DalesRV wrote:


      JCB95 wrote:
      I feel like people arguing that big Richie was a waste don't understand how writing works. The whole relationship for the two wasn't for us it was for the character of Negan. It was done to show that there was nothing left for Negan. Ask yourself what would having a known character do for the story? No one on the show knows this page exists and nor do they care. The reason that half the Saviors are left unknown is because they don't matter to the overall story and their all basically C/D level characters and extras/redshirts.
      I think everyone understood the point of that scene. And it did what it set out to do. It's just that throwing in a known Savior like Mark or Cam would have been a nice callback. Sure, it would mean nothing for most people, but for those who pay attention it would have been cool. Also, if Mark was the walker it would have added some emotional weight, given what Negan did to him.  
      I'm am active fan on this wiki yet I forgot who Cam was. Honestly if it was him or any other Savior it would have been cool in the moment but in the end nobody would have still cared. Mark would have made no sense after everything Negan did to him.

      Mark is missing so that makes no sense either. It seems like he was killed off-screen just like pretty much every Savior.

      It doesn't matter the Saviors are old news and the whisperers are more important now. All the Saviors were just supporting and plot device characters they don't matter anymore.

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    • Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.

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    • XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.

      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?

      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact

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    • DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact

      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.

      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.

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    • DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.
      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.

      Sounds about right.

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    • DalesRV wrote:

      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.

      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.

      Nobody gives a shit about Cam or wade except you and zombieverse. If you knew anything about writing you'd know we were never going to get a ending to them.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      DalesRV wrote:

      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.
      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.
      Nobody gives a shit about Cam or wade except you and zombieverse. If you knew anything about writing you'd know we were never going to get a ending to them.

      Okay wanting the fate of minor characters to be revealed doesn't mean we don't know about writing. You can't just give screentime and lines to characters in this show and they never get mentioned or seen again after that. The Saviors have been absolutely inconsistent in the show. We care about the little things, those details are important too in the show.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      DalesRV wrote:

      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.
      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.
      Nobody gives a shit about Cam or wade except you and zombieverse. If you knew anything about writing you'd know we were never going to get a ending to them.

      Okay wanting the fate of minor characters to be revealed doesn't mean we don't know about writing. You can't just give screentime and lines to characters in this show and they never get mentioned or seen again after that. The Saviors have been absolutely inconsistent in the show. We care about the little things, those details are important too in the show.

      They are MINOR characters that's all. The writers are trying to say that characters can walk off and never be seen again. In reality we would never see either of them again. They were plot characters insufficient that's all, basically extras with lines. How have the Saviors been inconsistent? Little things matter but little things like these don't matter.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      DalesRV wrote:


      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      DalesRV wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      XLRAshon wrote:
      Just an idea: Maybe the show wanted to bring back Wade or someone familiar but the person wasn't avaiable.
      He wasn't avaiable for season seven, eight or nine?
      Wade's face was never shown, so they could have easily just used a random person with a similar outfit. As for Cam, as long as his arm is missing and his face is messed up enough, he could have also been played by a stand-in. The only one that could be slightly problematic is Mark, since you'd need to show his burn, and for it to be noticable his face has to be more or less intact
      I always wondered why they had Cam lose his arm if he wasn't gonna appear again. I think even simple watchers would have recognized him.
      They probably just forgot about him and then decided it was too late to reintroduce him.
      Nobody gives a shit about Cam or wade except you and zombieverse. If you knew anything about writing you'd know we were never going to get a ending to them.
      Okay wanting the fate of minor characters to be revealed doesn't mean we don't know about writing. You can't just give screentime and lines to characters in this show and they never get mentioned or seen again after that. The Saviors have been absolutely inconsistent in the show. We care about the little things, those details are important too in the show.
      They are MINOR characters that's all. The writers are trying to say that characters can walk off and never be seen again. In reality we would never see either of them again. They were plot characters insufficient that's all, basically extras with lines. How have the Saviors been inconsistent? Little things matter but little things like these don't matter.

      I don't have the time to tell you how inconsistent the Saviors were and still are. And it's not just minor characters, even major characters have left and are leaving the show. It makes everything so confusing. You would think these survivors would just stick with their groups and not leave their homes unless forced to?

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