• Did Carl Grimes Being Killed Off In The Mid-Season Finale Hurt The Show In Any Way?

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    • FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      Did Carl Grimes Being Killed Off In The Mid-Season Finale hurt The Show In Any Way?

      Yes, yes it did.

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    • How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?

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    • Fuck Scott M. Gimple. He chose to kill off Carl because he wanted someone close to Rick to die for All Out War to make sense and he chose Carl. He tried to ruin the show. I'm glad he didn't. Carl's death was way too motherfucking far. I will always hate Scott M. Gimple for killing off Carl. There are so many people close to Rick, but he chose Carl.

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    • FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?

      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?
      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.

      They didn't leave because of Carl's death. Andrew Lincoln left because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Lauren Cohan left because she wants to do other things, but she said she's not done with TWD. Danai Gurira because she wants to do other things.

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    • FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?
      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.
      They didn't leave because of Carl's death. Andrew Lincoln left because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Lauren Cohan left because she wants to do other things, but she said she's not done with TWD. Danai Gurira because she wants to do other things.

      I get they didn't leave directly because of Carl's death but Andrew, Lauren and Danai leaving seems like too big of a coincidence. Gimple shouldn't have done him in dirty like that. Also did you even like the second half of season 8?

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?
      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.
      They didn't leave because of Carl's death. Andrew Lincoln left because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Lauren Cohan left because she wants to do other things, but she said she's not done with TWD. Danai Gurira because she wants to do other things.
      I get they didn't leave directly because of Carl's death but Andrew, Lauren and Danai leaving seems like too big of a coincidence. Gimple shouldn't have done him in dirty like that. Also did you even like the second half of season 8?

      The second half of season 8 was good. I just wish Carl was still alive in the second half of season 8. I'm glad Scott M. Gimple isn't showrunner anymore.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?
      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.
      They didn't leave because of Carl's death. Andrew Lincoln left because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Lauren Cohan left because she wants to do other things, but she said she's not done with TWD. Danai Gurira because she wants to do other things.
      I get they didn't leave directly because of Carl's death but Andrew, Lauren and Danai leaving seems like too big of a coincidence. Gimple shouldn't have done him in dirty like that. Also did you even like the second half of season 8?

      Do you want Rick to return?

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    • FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      ZOMBIVERSE wrote:
      FightingSpirit93 wrote:
      How many viewers did TWD lose? How many ratings did the show lose?
      I can't say for certain but TWD lost alot when Carl died. They lost another connection to season 1, comic and show fans were pissed and it created a horde of rant videos, blogs and articles criticizing Gimple's writing. If wasn't fair to Chandler and it started alot of controversy. It also made Carl's entire story arc in the show pointless and everyone felt robbed of their time because of it. Plus alot more actors started leaving TWD after Carl died than ever before.
      They didn't leave because of Carl's death. Andrew Lincoln left because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Lauren Cohan left because she wants to do other things, but she said she's not done with TWD. Danai Gurira because she wants to do other things.
      I get they didn't leave directly because of Carl's death but Andrew, Lauren and Danai leaving seems like too big of a coincidence. Gimple shouldn't have done him in dirty like that. Also did you even like the second half of season 8?
      Do you want Rick to return?

      Yes but I want it done in a consistent way. It needs to make sense and be done correctly. There needs to be a great reason why he's been gone for this long. 

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    • Whatever mess Rick's caught up in, he'll be zeroed in on going home, but being the stand-up guy he is, if he ends up feeling like he owes anybody anything, he'd definitely pick up somebody else's battles. I don't think it will be too hard to justify whatever he's doing.

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    • Carl's death was a blow to the main show- for me at least. Mainly because I feel as if the writers of the show don't give a crap for the source material, where Carl is now the protagonist. Maybe it's just me, but when the writers of a show begin to so obviously disregard the source material, it's time to watch out.

      I know, I know, they have killed off counterparts of comic characters before, but lets be honest- what justification can be given for Carl's death, especially since he was on his way to bein thee protagonist? For All out War to make sense? They could have chosen any one of Rick's friends- or basically anyone from Alexandria, Hilltop or The Kingdom to die and it would have had the same effect. Rick is attached to almost everyone in 'his' communities, and he would feel great guilt and remorse if he believed their deaths were because of him.

      As far as I'm concerned, it was just a cheap emotional blow- something to elicit sorrow from the fans and wasn't given any more thought as to the long term for the show.

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    • Marcusgan11 wrote: Carl's death was a blow to the main show- for me at least. Mainly because I feel as if the writers of the show don't give a crap for the source material, where Carl is now the protagonist. Maybe it's just me, but when the writers of a show begin to so obviously disregard the source material, it's time to watch out.

      I know, I know, they have killed off counterparts of comic characters before, but lets be honest- what justification can be given for Carl's death, especially since he was on his way to bein thee protagonist? For All out War to make sense? They could have chosen any one of Rick's friends- or basically anyone from Alexandria, Hilltop or The Kingdom to die and it would have had the same effect. Rick is attached to almost everyone in 'his' communities, and he would feel great guilt and remorse if he believed their deaths were because of him.

      As far as I'm concerned, it was just a cheap emotional blow- something to elicit sorrow from the fans and wasn't given any more thought as to the long term for the show.

      Exactly, it was a cheep and shitty move made by Scott Gimple, making it an all time low even for Gimple. If it were me I would have killed Morgan instead of Carl since Morgan was very much into peace and would have perfectly convinced Rick to not kill Negan.

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    • Awesomeguy 336 wrote:

      Marcusgan11 wrote: Carl's death was a blow to the main show- for me at least. Mainly because I feel as if the writers of the show don't give a crap for the source material, where Carl is now the protagonist. Maybe it's just me, but when the writers of a show begin to so obviously disregard the source material, it's time to watch out.

      I know, I know, they have killed off counterparts of comic characters before, but lets be honest- what justification can be given for Carl's death, especially since he was on his way to bein thee protagonist? For All out War to make sense? They could have chosen any one of Rick's friends- or basically anyone from Alexandria, Hilltop or The Kingdom to die and it would have had the same effect. Rick is attached to almost everyone in 'his' communities, and he would feel great guilt and remorse if he believed their deaths were because of him.

      As far as I'm concerned, it was just a cheap emotional blow- something to elicit sorrow from the fans and wasn't given any more thought as to the long term for the show.

      Exactly, it was a cheep and shitty move made by Scott Gimple, making it an all time low even for Gimple. If it were me I would have killed Morgan instead of Carl since Morgan was very much into peace and would have perfectly convinced Rick to not kill Negan.

      Plus the comic ending works better with Carl, not Judith.

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    • ZOMBIVERSE wrote:

      Awesomeguy 336 wrote:

      Marcusgan11 wrote: Carl's death was a blow to the main show- for me at least. Mainly because I feel as if the writers of the show don't give a crap for the source material, where Carl is now the protagonist. Maybe it's just me, but when the writers of a show begin to so obviously disregard the source material, it's time to watch out.

      I know, I know, they have killed off counterparts of comic characters before, but lets be honest- what justification can be given for Carl's death, especially since he was on his way to bein thee protagonist? For All out War to make sense? They could have chosen any one of Rick's friends- or basically anyone from Alexandria, Hilltop or The Kingdom to die and it would have had the same effect. Rick is attached to almost everyone in 'his' communities, and he would feel great guilt and remorse if he believed their deaths were because of him.

      As far as I'm concerned, it was just a cheap emotional blow- something to elicit sorrow from the fans and wasn't given any more thought as to the long term for the show.

      Exactly, it was a cheep and shitty move made by Scott Gimple, making it an all time low even for Gimple. If it were me I would have killed Morgan instead of Carl since Morgan was very much into peace and would have perfectly convinced Rick to not kill Negan.

      Plus the comic ending works better with Carl, not Judith.

      I agree.

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    • I can bet the tv producers are not feeling too great seeing the way the comic book ended and knowing for a FACT that they will have to change it lol

      I feel like now that Carl is dead, the tv show is almost obligated to keep Rick alive so there’s at least one Grimes man alive

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    • Tbh I never liked Carl in comics or show but they shouldn't have killed him off! And I don't want fucking Judith Grimes as a replacement. She's far worse in my eyes.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote: Tbh I never liked Carl in comics or show but they shouldn't have killed him off! And I don't want fucking Judith Grimes as a replacement. She's far worse in my eyes.

      You really hate kids do you?

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    • Awesomeguy 336 wrote:

      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote: Tbh I never liked Carl in comics or show but they shouldn't have killed him off! And I don't want fucking Judith Grimes as a replacement. She's far worse in my eyes.

      You really hate kids do you?

      Not irl at all (Apart from jerks) but I just can't stand the majoirty of them in books, shows, movies, comics, etc. I don't know, I just can't help it. I feel that they're sometimes written somewhat unrealistic, or written a bit annoyingly. Judith I mainly don't like because it doesn't make sense for a 9 year old to be the biggest badass around town. She like shot Negan off his motorcycle. And others, such as Carl and Henry, have annoyed me too at one point. I didn't have a problem with someone like Benjamin though.

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    • Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      Awesomeguy 336 wrote:

      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote: Tbh I never liked Carl in comics or show but they shouldn't have killed him off! And I don't want fucking Judith Grimes as a replacement. She's far worse in my eyes.

      You really hate kids do you?
      Not irl at all (Apart from jerks) but I just can't stand the majoirty of them in books, shows, movies, comics, etc. I don't know, I just can't help it. I feel that they're sometimes written somewhat unrealistic, or written a bit annoyingly. Judith I mainly don't like because it doesn't make sense for a 9 year old to be the biggest badass around town. She like shot Negan off his motorcycle. And others, such as Carl and Henry, have annoyed me too at one point. I didn't have a problem with someone like Benjamin though.

      Kids and teenagers are usually either written as annoying dumbasses or mini-adults, which is why they're unbarable most of the time. I actually liked Carl in the comics until he turned into a teenager, because he had those child-like qualities, but at the same time, you could see the apocalypse hardening him overtime.

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    • DalesRV wrote:

      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote:
      Awesomeguy 336 wrote:

      Freaky Ass Smile Lord wrote: Tbh I never liked Carl in comics or show but they shouldn't have killed him off! And I don't want fucking Judith Grimes as a replacement. She's far worse in my eyes.

      You really hate kids do you?
      Not irl at all (Apart from jerks) but I just can't stand the majoirty of them in books, shows, movies, comics, etc. I don't know, I just can't help it. I feel that they're sometimes written somewhat unrealistic, or written a bit annoyingly. Judith I mainly don't like because it doesn't make sense for a 9 year old to be the biggest badass around town. She like shot Negan off his motorcycle. And others, such as Carl and Henry, have annoyed me too at one point. I didn't have a problem with someone like Benjamin though.

      Kids and teenagers are usually either written as annoying dumbasses or mini-adults, which is why they're unbarable most of the time. I actually liked Carl in the comics until he turned into a teenager, because he had those child-like qualities, but at the same time, you could see the apocalypse hardening him overtime.

      I agree.

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    • I think they did a pretty good job with Mika, but then Hurricane Lizzie came along.

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