• That was a pretty awful farewell episode for this character that has been in the show for seven seasons now. Michonne was the leader of the communities by this point in time and was parenting a couple kids yet she chooses to go chase her boyfriend down that she hasn't seen for about seven years in universe instead of going back to her group and her responsibilities and her kids. This was honestly probably the worst writing this show has ever had and that is saying something.

    Your group and your kids are in the middle of a battle with another group in which that group just kidnapped several people from your community and put their heads on spikes yet it is ok to leave and go chase down your former boyfriend because your preteen daughter said it was ok to leave? Give me a break.

    The very least this episode could have done was not had Michonne leave until she had spoken to some of the adults and have them assure her that things truly were ok. But nope. According to these writers all you need is the word of a little kid to make it ok to leave everything behind.

    Angela Kang should honestly be ashamed of herself for putting this episode out there as a goodbye for this character on the show.

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    • I really hoped they'd kill her off, it would've made a lot of sense, they had some cool ideas for her final episode, yet, they shouldn't have made her to leave chilldren.

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    • Agreed, I did not like this episode. Felt very cheap. But I understand it was a hassle trying to fluidly write Michonne out of the story, but the ending was interesting at least but I wouldn't be surprised if they completely forget about that in the movies lol. We will need to wait and see.

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    • The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

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    • Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

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    • To be fair, Judith pretty much told her the Whisperers were done, with most of Alpha's horde destroyed (supposedly) and Alpha herself dead. It could have been written better, but they were really backed into a corner with Michonne only appearing in a limited numer of episodes. The only other thing they could have done was kill her off, but that probably would have felt underwhelming for such a big character given the limited number of episodes she appears in.

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

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    • Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

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    • Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!

      I’m just curious if Gabriel will get it or if they settle for Luke or Scott or someone. Maybe not Luke because apparently he was seen filming for Ep 16 but still.

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    • Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!

      I’m just curious if Gabriel will get it or if they settle for Luke or Scott or someone. Maybe not Luke because apparently he was seen filming for Ep 16 but still.

      I don't know anything about BTS/filming spoilers, but just from what we've seen during S10, I'd say Gabriel or Jerry are most likely!

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...

      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!

      I’m just curious if Gabriel will get it or if they settle for Luke or Scott or someone. Maybe not Luke because apparently he was seen filming for Ep 16 but still.

      I don't know anything about BTS/filming spoilers, but just from what we've seen during S10, I'd say Gabriel or Jerry are most likely!

      Hell no, they better not kill Jerry.

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    • Lastcat3 wrote:
      That was a pretty awful farewell episode for this character that has been in the show for seven seasons now. Michonne was the leader of the communities by this point in time and was parenting a couple kids yet she chooses to go chase her boyfriend down that she hasn't seen for about seven years in universe instead of going back to her group and her responsibilities and her kids. This was honestly probably the worst writing this show has ever had and that is saying something.

      Your group and your kids are in the middle of a battle with another group in which that group just kidnapped several people from your community and put their heads on spikes yet it is ok to leave and go chase down your former boyfriend because your preteen daughter said it was ok to leave? Give me a break.

      The very least this episode could have done was not had Michonne leave until she had spoken to some of the adults and have them assure her that things truly were ok. But nope. According to these writers all you need is the word of a little kid to make it ok to leave everything behind.

      Angela Kang should honestly be ashamed of herself for putting this episode out there as a goodbye for this character on the show.

      you make good points. but the actress wanted out so what can you do? I did like the episode but Michonne leaving to find disgusting Rick is just ugh poor writting. Could've been done better i guess

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    • Narutorulez wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:
      That was a pretty awful farewell episode for this character that has been in the show for seven seasons now. Michonne was the leader of the communities by this point in time and was parenting a couple kids yet she chooses to go chase her boyfriend down that she hasn't seen for about seven years in universe instead of going back to her group and her responsibilities and her kids. This was honestly probably the worst writing this show has ever had and that is saying something.

      Your group and your kids are in the middle of a battle with another group in which that group just kidnapped several people from your community and put their heads on spikes yet it is ok to leave and go chase down your former boyfriend because your preteen daughter said it was ok to leave? Give me a break.

      The very least this episode could have done was not had Michonne leave until she had spoken to some of the adults and have them assure her that things truly were ok. But nope. According to these writers all you need is the word of a little kid to make it ok to leave everything behind.

      Angela Kang should honestly be ashamed of herself for putting this episode out there as a goodbye for this character on the show.

      you make good points. but the actress wanted out so what can you do? I did like the episode but Michonne leaving to find disgusting Rick is just ugh poor writting. Could've been done better i guess

      I agree, it was literally the most fucking obvious route to go down.

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    • Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      Narutorulez wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:
      That was a pretty awful farewell episode for this character that has been in the show for seven seasons now. Michonne was the leader of the communities by this point in time and was parenting a couple kids yet she chooses to go chase her boyfriend down that she hasn't seen for about seven years in universe instead of going back to her group and her responsibilities and her kids. This was honestly probably the worst writing this show has ever had and that is saying something.

      Your group and your kids are in the middle of a battle with another group in which that group just kidnapped several people from your community and put their heads on spikes yet it is ok to leave and go chase down your former boyfriend because your preteen daughter said it was ok to leave? Give me a break.

      The very least this episode could have done was not had Michonne leave until she had spoken to some of the adults and have them assure her that things truly were ok. But nope. According to these writers all you need is the word of a little kid to make it ok to leave everything behind.

      Angela Kang should honestly be ashamed of herself for putting this episode out there as a goodbye for this character on the show.

      you make good points. but the actress wanted out so what can you do? I did like the episode but Michonne leaving to find disgusting Rick is just ugh poor writting. Could've been done better i guess
      I agree, it was literally the most fucking obvious route to go down.

      Well yes. I mean the whole 'Rick' movies. ruined things. They should've done it different. I don't mind them sending Rick off, but Michonne going to look for him now is lame. She should've come back and told the community what's up and than go find him. Idk how i would've done it tbh. but not like that. 

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:

      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...
      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.

      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!

      I'd say maybe Gabriel 

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    • Walking dead fan david wrote:
      CoyoteDork wrote:

      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:


      CoyoteDork wrote:


      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote:


      CoyoteDork wrote:


      Gerald-XR-Donovan wrote: The shows always pussy out of killing the big characters. Well, most of the time at least, though that one death was mostly out of stupidity than having balls.

      If they killed all the big characters we would have none left...
      Yeah, but I’m just getting tired of them just writing the big characters out. It cheapens the suspense imo.

      Also, when I was talking about them pussying out of big characters, I was talking about characters like Rick. They kept saying it was gonna be his final season and he was gonna die, then they backed out at the last second and gave him a film series. I wasn’t talking about literally the entire opening credits cast. I will give them credit for actually killing Jesus and Siddiq though.

      They never said Rick was going to die, they said it was his last episodes on The Walking Dead. People just assumed he could be killed and ran with it. Andrew Lincoln wanted off the show to be with his family, which is fair enough, but so many more people would be annoyed if he was killed off. It's a lose-lose situation. The movies are a great compromise.

      Siddiq and Jesus I would hardly say are big characters, a better example would be Tara, Andrea, Glenn, Abraham etc.

      It was kinda obvious they were gonna kill Glenn, but I agree with the others. Tara and Andrea were a pretty big shock for me, but so were Siddiq and Jesus. Though maybe a big character will be killed soon and they’re trying to hide it, who knows.
      I spy a big one coming up with the water tower!
      I'd say maybe Gabriel 

      I'd say Scott or Barbara instead

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    • Wow absolutely disagree. That was a great episode.

      1. Rick isn't just "some boyfriend" he was litterally the most important person out of all the communities. The one that lead a war against the saviors, the one that brought all the communities together, and would have been the one to lead the war against The Whisperers. Rick could be the one to rebuild the communities once the war is over and if he gets back. Could lead in rebuiling Hilltop and reopen The Kingdom. And further proof his leadership is sorely missed what happened when he disappeared? Formed a committee of like 6 people. It takes 6 people now to make leader like choices that Rick did by himself. Saying Rick (in Michonne's eyes and others) isn't needed in this world is like playing chess without the Queen. Yeah you can win without it, but it helps a whole lot.

      2. Judith litterally told Michonne The Whisperers are gone and Alpha is no longer a problem. The 2 biggest problems at the community were facing and they are gone. What other real conflict that presented a threat did they have to face? No one. This wasn't season 6 dealing with mega herd and the wolves at the same time. The dnemies are dead and now the communities are looking towards a time of peace. So knowing all that and Muchonne trusts Judith more than basically anyone can't go? Problems gone (check) my daughter not only says but wants me to go (check) well geeze I guess I can go.

      3. Has this be confirmed to be in chronological order? I remember hearing they had a different order for the episodes and then changed them. What if this episode takes place a couple of weeks from where Alpha got killed? There hasn't been a set time how long Virgil keep Michonne locked up. So if that's the case then yeah Alexandria and everyone really are fine if Michonne leaves.

      4. Michonne clearly found a massive group of people so now our world is expanding, how is that anything but a bad thing from the communities stand point? It was a gamble but it paid off. Communities can help one another and this is another example now these communities can trade and help out. That wouldn't have been possible if Michonne didn't go out. Like when the group got to Alexandria, they have a home now and that was the best thing that could happen. And who in the group wanted to trust Aaron and go to Alexandria? Trusted Aaron more than others and believed in the place before Rick? Michonne. Michonne has a great track record of knowing when to trust others and when not. She also was the first to figure out that The Governor was bad. All the biggest decisions on what the right thing to do was when Michonne said or agreed to it. I'm sure she wasn't 100% but a lot higher than others.

      It's fine if you wanted it to be a different way or if this episode wasn't your favorite. But sometimes its more than saying "bad writing" or "it makes no sense why Michonne did what she did"

      I don't want to step on others opinions, this is just simply why I stand by Michonne's choice to go after Rick.

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    • It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

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    • RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

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    • XLRAshon wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

      Perhaps. But it is still an extreme exaggeration what the show decided to do in that scene. Honestly the show has never handled the 'kid' characters very well. The comic really did a better job with the kid characters than the show did.

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    • Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

      Perhaps. But it is still an extreme exaggeration what the show decided to do in that scene. Honestly the show has never handled the 'kid' characters very well. The comic really did a better job with the kid characters than the show did.

      That's cause in TV you're dealing with a child. In the comics Kirkman and Adler could do whatever cause they are just drawing the character and creating dialogue.

      On the show they have to be played by a litteral kid. Someone who has to memorize the lines and act the role. Agree that most children on the show haven't been very likeable but most of these kids are played by 10-14 year olds. I remember when I was that age. No way I could play a character on the show. And most couldn't.

      Seems like you are either stuck with kid actor who like the average child not going to have a full grasp on their character like teens and makes the role unlikeable or a really gifted child actor like Cailey Fleming who is going to deliever a great performance and not seem realistic.

      It's a lose lose situation when dealing with child actors seems like.

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    • XLRAshon wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

      Perhaps. But it is still an extreme exaggeration what the show decided to do in that scene. Honestly the show has never handled the 'kid' characters very well. The comic really did a better job with the kid characters than the show did.

      That's cause in TV you're dealing with a child. In the comics Kirkman and Adler could do whatever cause they are just drawing the character and creating dialogue.

      On the show they have to be played by a litteral kid. Someone who has to memorize the lines and act the role. Agree that most children on the show haven't been very likeable but most of these kids are played by 10-14 year olds. I remember when I was that age. No way I could play a character on the show. And most couldn't.

      Seems like you are either stuck with kid actor who like the average child not going to have a full grasp on their character like teens and makes the role unlikeable or a really gifted child actor like Cailey Fleming who is going to deliever a great performance and not seem realistic.

      It's a lose lose situation when dealing with child actors seems like.

      That scene being poor didn't have anything to do with Cailey Fleming and had everything to do with bad writing and poor story planning. They simply shouldn't have had an eight or nine year old character be in that role where she was telling the leader of the community not to come back. That is on the writers.

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    • Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

      Perhaps. But it is still an extreme exaggeration what the show decided to do in that scene. Honestly the show has never handled the 'kid' characters very well. The comic really did a better job with the kid characters than the show did.

      That's cause in TV you're dealing with a child. In the comics Kirkman and Adler could do whatever cause they are just drawing the character and creating dialogue.

      On the show they have to be played by a litteral kid. Someone who has to memorize the lines and act the role. Agree that most children on the show haven't been very likeable but most of these kids are played by 10-14 year olds. I remember when I was that age. No way I could play a character on the show. And most couldn't.

      Seems like you are either stuck with kid actor who like the average child not going to have a full grasp on their character like teens and makes the role unlikeable or a really gifted child actor like Cailey Fleming who is going to deliever a great performance and not seem realistic.

      It's a lose lose situation when dealing with child actors seems like.

      That scene being poor didn't have anything to do with Cailey Fleming and had everything to do with bad writing and poor story planning. They simply shouldn't have had an eight or nine year old character be in that role where she was telling the leader of the community not to come back. That is on the writers.

      Go look at my first explination justifing just saying "bad writing" is not really the best explination.

      Plus I was responding to your comment about comic vs TV show when it came to children and wasn't necessarily to be lumped togerher with that scene. Clearly your mind has been made up about disliking this episode and I just want to have a productive conversation instead of just dismissing it all together.

      If Daryl said it was fine for Michonne to leave would that have been better in your mind?

      Cause to me that wouldn't be as good as her daughter saying it was fine.

      I just don't like it when people just blame the show and not the actual characters. Kind of shuts the door on having a discussion. As someone who studied literature in college and would have in depth discussion on our reading we would never say "bad writing" as if that was a valid reaseon to explain a characters actions.

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    • XLRAshon wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      Lastcat3 wrote:

      XLRAshon wrote:

      RazeSpear wrote: It is strange Michonne would leave them to find Rick based on what Judith said alone (I too would have wanted to talk to Rosita or at least ask what Judith meant by "Alpha can't hurt us"), but this problem could really be attributed to them just transferring all of Carl's character development to Judith. For whatever reason Judith seems to have all his experience despite barely remembering him and only having experienced similar conflicts a few times. After Michonne's arc with Judith in Season 9, she treats her like an adult.

      That's not to say the episode made no mistakes, just that Shane and Lori apparently created a super baby.

      It happens. If you are a kid in this world you are forced to grow up super fast.

      Other wise two things happen: 1. You die 2. You become a Sarah (from the video game) or a Sam.

      You can even look around in current days. Go to most people that grew up in extreme poverty and they'll probably tell you they had to grow up fast.

      Perhaps. But it is still an extreme exaggeration what the show decided to do in that scene. Honestly the show has never handled the 'kid' characters very well. The comic really did a better job with the kid characters than the show did.

      That's cause in TV you're dealing with a child. In the comics Kirkman and Adler could do whatever cause they are just drawing the character and creating dialogue.

      On the show they have to be played by a litteral kid. Someone who has to memorize the lines and act the role. Agree that most children on the show haven't been very likeable but most of these kids are played by 10-14 year olds. I remember when I was that age. No way I could play a character on the show. And most couldn't.

      Seems like you are either stuck with kid actor who like the average child not going to have a full grasp on their character like teens and makes the role unlikeable or a really gifted child actor like Cailey Fleming who is going to deliever a great performance and not seem realistic.

      It's a lose lose situation when dealing with child actors seems like.

      That scene being poor didn't have anything to do with Cailey Fleming and had everything to do with bad writing and poor story planning. They simply shouldn't have had an eight or nine year old character be in that role where she was telling the leader of the community not to come back. That is on the writers.

      Go look at my first explination justifing just saying "bad writing" is not really the best explination.

      Plus I was responding to your comment about comic vs TV show when it came to children and wasn't necessarily to be lumped togerher with that scene. Clearly your mind has been made up about disliking this episode and I just want to have a productive conversation instead of just dismissing it all together.

      If Daryl said it was fine for Michonne to leave would that have been better in your mind?

      Cause to me that wouldn't be as good as her daughter saying it was fine.

      I just don't like it when people just blame the show and not the actual characters. Kind of shuts the door on having a discussion. As someone who studied literature in college and would have in depth discussion on our reading we would never say "bad writing" as if that was a valid reaseon to explain a characters actions.

      'Poor writing' is a perfectly fine explanation. When you have an eight year old character telling the leader of the community what to do and the leader listening to them than that is on the writing.

      If an adult told her yes that would have been better. Judith should be there to show emotional effects on Michonne but in no way at all should she be making decisions on rather it is ok for Michonne to just up and leave the community she was leading.

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    • Wondering if anyone's thoughts changed?

      In this current episode "The Tower" it's clear Judith is starting to regret saying it was okay for Michonne to go off.

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    • XLRAshon wrote: Wondering if anyone's thoughts changed?

      In this current episode "The Tower" it's clear Judith is starting to regret saying it was okay for Michonne to go off.

      I think it is more of a case of just contradictory writing. It makes little sense at all. The whole thing just screams of poor planning. They should have figured out some other way to have Michonne leave the show. Instead they have Judith act one way in one episode because it fits the plot for that particular episode. And then they have her act completely different in another episode because it fits the plot of that following episode.

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